not a comparision but magnification

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Anonymous  #520228  Wed, 28 May 08 10:53 PM

Hi,

I think when you make a comparison with the words like 'less of", "more of", or perhaps with "much of," you should attach the word "OF" with it, but if the case calls for magnification of a subject matter, then the "of" doesn't seem to be needed. Am I correct?

Are these all cases of amplification?

What I found from the NY Times search:

"Tucker is too much a taker." 

He is too much a man's man to play a bumbling fool for ...

Jones is too much a lady.

But the Record Shack and Harem are too much a part of his identity for ...    

I think the last one's "too much" isn't the same grammatical part as the ones before that. Am I right?

  
Mister Micawber  #520249  Thu, 29 May 08 12:15 AM
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I don't really understand what you mean by magnification vs comparison, but in all your example sentences, I find the 'of' form more casual and slightly awkward for good composition:

Tucker is too much (of) a taker.

He is too much (of) a man's man to play a bumbling fool for ...

Jones is too much (of) a lady.

But the Record Shack and Harem are too much (of) a part of his identity for ...   

  
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Anonymous  #520254  Thu, 29 May 08 01:25 AM

Thank you.

Would say the following involves a sense of comparison? I would say not. They are saying the subjects are much, much, much and more much of that thing or a person -- TOO much conveys that? Don't you agree?  

But these will involve comparisons I believ:

Tucker is more of a talker than Jane.

He is more of a man than Joe.

Jones is more of a lady than Jane.

For those invloving comparisons 'of' is not optional, I think, for the subject matter?? it deals with is a countable noun. Right?

Thank you.

 

  
Avangi  #520255  Thu, 29 May 08 01:28 AM

I read/hear your last example as being in the same form as the others.

I assume you're comparing this form to "I drank too much coffee," where you would never say, "I drank too much of coffee."  I guess you'd use the "of" when there's a modifier before the noun:  "I've heard too much of his B/S."

  - A.

Edit.  Sorry  -  The anonymous delay threw me off.  I'm referring back to your original post.

Okay, now I see your point.  I had you wrong.  Yes, I'd say the "of" is required.  "More of a" seems almost like an idiom.

Dang, I can't think of the word.  In your examples, "man"; "lady"; "talker" are sort of concept terms rather than countables.                             "More of a man"  =  "More of the things a man is supposed to be."  (Someone will come along with the right word.)

  
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