Conditional

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Anonymous  #292055  Sun, 12 Nov 06 07:18 AM

Hi,

What's the difference between these two conditionals?

1. If you didn't follow as I say, I would call the police.

2. If you don't follow as I say, I would call the police.

Appreciate if someone could explain on this, thank you.

Regards,

Jeeva

  
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Saviola  #292122  Sun, 12 Nov 06 11:42 AM
I think the first is wrong, because didn't is past and the rest of the sentence is not. But I'm not shure.
  
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Grammar Geek  #292228  Sun, 12 Nov 06 05:02 PM

Neither is natural.

If you didn't do as I [had] said, I would have called the police.

If you don't do as I say, I will call the police.

  
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Philip  #292258  Sun, 12 Nov 06 06:30 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Neither is natural.

If you didn't do as I [had] said, I would have called the police.

If you don't do as I say, I will call the police.

 My inclination is to use two pluperfects.  "If you hadn't done as I had told you......."  Does this sound ok to other grammar geeks?
  
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Grammar Geek  #292268  Sun, 12 Nov 06 06:52 PM

Yes, I think that's also a good version.

But "If you didn't do it, no one would have done it." is also an okay construction, so the "If you didn't" on its face is okay, don't you think?

I shouldn't try to do this when I have a fever. I'm probably writing gibberish.

  
Marius Hancu  #292309  Sun, 12 Nov 06 09:25 PM
 Philip wrote:
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Neither is natural.

If you didn't do as I [had] said, I would have called the police.

If you don't do as I say, I will call the police.

 My inclination is to use two pluperfects.  "If you hadn't done as I had told you......."  Does this sound ok to other grammar geeks?


I prefer the past perfect in the IF sentence, whenever I see "would have" in the resulting sentence, because the "have" tells me there's something which happened before that moment in the past, in the case the condition was true:

Through the Looking Glass by Carroll, Lewis
'But if you HADN'T done them,' the Queen said, 'that would have been better still; better, and better, and better!'

  
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Marius Hancu  #292319  Sun, 12 Nov 06 09:40 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Neither is natural.

If you didn't do as I [had] said, I would have called the police.

If you don't do as I say, I will call the police.

I agree with  the 2nd for the present. Taking into account the emergency of the situation, I "would call" is too weak.

However, I don't quite agree with the 1st for the past. I prefer Philip's there (past perfect). Pls see the previous posting.
  
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