Conditional:Auxiliary Commentary Words?

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Anonymous

#560609 Sun, 31 Aug 08 06:13 AM

Hi,
Are the underlined parts commentary words and do you think they would not effect the conditional nature of the sentences?

If power goes out, I would dare to think that they will all leave.
If power goes out, I bet they will all leave.
If power goes out, I am sure that they will all leave.
If power goes out, I would bet that they will all leave.

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Mister Micawber

#560625 Sun, 31 Aug 08 07:55 AM

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I think they are unaffected, but I think also that the 'would's are incorrect:

If the power goes out, I dare to think that they will all leave.
If the power goes out, I bet they will all leave.
If the power goes out, I am sure that they will all leave.
If the power goes out, I bet that they will all leave.

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Neeraj Jain

#560634 Sun, 31 Aug 08 09:00 AM

Thanks Sir for the explanation.

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Anonymous

#560831 Sun, 31 Aug 08 11:21 PM

Thank you. So if the word is specifically referenced to by context, we should use the definite article to indicate specifcity of it like you did with the noun 'power'. Is that right?

You wrote this as an introducing part (if that is phrased right) to the examples:
I think they are unaffected, but I think also that the 'would's are incorrect:

I have hard time finding out how to pluralize words like"'would" or 'how are you?"You seemed to have attach an 's' after putting the word "would" in the quotation marks. Is it how it should be done? How about this?

I think they are unaffected, but I think also that the "would's" are incorrect:

How about these?

I think that the '"do's and don'ts" are inappropriate to the situation.
I think that the "good morinng's" are inappropriate.
I think his "how are you's" are inappropriate. -- this seems to be a difficult one since I feel "how are you" should have a question mark at the end and it is difficult to know what to do with the mark.

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Mister Micawber

#560883 Mon, 01 Sep 08 04:44 AM

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Thank you. So if the word is specifically referenced to by context, we should use the definite article to indicate specifcity of it like you did with the noun 'power'. Is that right?-- Yes

You wrote this as an introducing part (if that is phrased right) to the examples:
I think they are unaffected, but I think also that the 'would's are incorrect:

I have hard time finding out how to pluralize words like"'would" or 'how are you?"You seemed to have attach an 's' after putting the word "would" in the quotation marks. Is it how it should be done? --Yes. I used single quote marks; double marks are more formally correct.

How about this? I think they are unaffected, but I think also that the "would's" are incorrect-- No

How about these?

I think that the '"do's and don'ts" are inappropriate to the situation.-- Yes. Do's and don'ts is an idiom. (Notice that for clarity we do not use a second apostrophe in "don't's")
I think that the "good morning's" are inappropriate.-- No
I think his "how are you's" are inappropriate. -- No. His "how are you"s are inappropriate. I don't think we need the "?".

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Anonymous

#560921 Mon, 01 Sep 08 07:22 AM

Thank you.

You wrote this as your partical response to the overall question:

I think that the "good morning's" are inappropriate.-- No
I think his "how are you's" are inappropriate. -- No. His "how are you"s are inappropriate. I don't think we need the "?".

Your technique (if I can call it that) is new to me. Anyway, how do you make distinctions as to which phrase/clause is appropriate to put an "s" after putting quotation marks around it: why not "good morning" but "how are you"?

Anonymous

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Anonymous

#560932 Mon, 01 Sep 08 08:16 AM

THANK YOU.

You wrote:

I think they are unaffected, but I think also that the 'would's are incorrect:

If the power goes out, I dare to think that they will all leave.
If the power goes out, I bet they will all leave.
If the power goes out, I am sure that they will all leave.
If the power goes out, I bet that they will all leave.

And I wrote this:
Thank you. So if the word is specifically referenced to by context, we should use the definite article to indicate specifcity of it like you did with the noun 'power'. Is that right?

And to that, I think you said 'yes'.

The problem I have is that it is hard to distinguish situations where the detinite noun is necessary (as it seems) since some words like 'freedom' and 'proclamation' and possibly 'power' have what I can say a capacity to dwell and function well in both specifically referenced and non-specifically referenced situations like this:

We value freedom of press.

This one I picked out from the google book search:

Order for proclamation o fthe King's Peace

Two examples above I feel can use the detinite noun and not use it with little difference, if at all.

I thin the same goes to the original sentences with the word 'power' except you are very sure the reference it to a specific group of people and situation needs to be specific, but I feel, in most wriiting situations in the real world, don't need the definiteness brought by having placed 'the' before the likes of the word 'power'.

So, in most cases, I feel the version without the 'the's is good.

If power goes out, I dare ...

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Mister Micawber

#560977 Mon, 01 Sep 08 10:26 AM

You wrote this as your partical response to the overall question:
I think that the "good morning's" are inappropriate.-- No
I think his "how are you's" are inappropriate. -- No. His "how are you"s are inappropriate. I don't think we need the "?".

Your technique (if I can call it that) is new to me. Anyway, how do you make distinctions as to which phrase/clause is appropriate to put an "s" after putting quotation marks around it: why not "good morning" but "how are you"?

I don't understand your question. The '-s' goes outside the quotation marks, as I indicated in both italicized sentences.

And I wrote this:
Thank you. So if the word is specifically referenced to by context, we should use the definite article to indicate specifcity of it like you did with the noun 'power'. Is that right?

-- Yes again.

The problem I have is that it is hard to distinguish situations where the detinite noun is necessary

-- It takes some practice.

We value freedom of press.
Order for proclamation of the King's Peace

In the two examples above I feel can use the detinite noun and not use it with little difference, if at all.

-- As they stand, the first should have no article and the second should: freedom of the press is a general freedom, but the King is a specific king. That at least is the presumption that the reader should make.

I thin the same goes to the original sentences with the word 'power' except you are very sure the reference it to a specific group of people and situation needs to be specific, but I feel, in most wriiting situations in the real world, don't need the definiteness brought by having placed 'the' before the likes of the word 'power'.

-- I agree that there is often an option; nevertheless, in your sentence, a specific power source is implied-- i.e the power supplied at where 'they' are.
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