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Goodman  #471205  Thu, 31 Jan 08 08:07 PM

Can i say: It is essential that we be informed of your plans. Yes!


Help him understand - Ok
It is essential that we should be informed of your plans.
We insist that he must be on time

There are those who use modal in subjunctive which in my opinion is improper but some considered it acceptable. I wouldn't not recommend it.

  
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Anewcomer  #471209  Thu, 31 Jan 08 08:16 PM
Sorry, but in my previous question, I asked whether I can say : It is essential that we are informed of your plans. Is it correct? or should i use "be" instead of "are" for "we"
  
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Grammar Geek  #471211  Thu, 31 Jan 08 08:20 PM

 Anewcomer wrote:
Sorry, but in my previous question, I asked whether I can say : It is essential that we are informed of your plans. Is it correct? or should i use "be" instead of "are" for "we"

If you want the person to let you know what his plans are, say: It is essential that we be informed of your plans.

  
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Goodman  #471231  Thu, 31 Jan 08 09:07 PM

I already answered your questions in "pink" which were crossed out.

  
Anewcomer  #471236  Thu, 31 Jan 08 09:19 PM
How if i want to let (tell) (in general) the people know that we are supposed to know the plan (like in essay/story). Can i say it like: It is essential that we are informed of the plans
  
Avangi  #471239  Thu, 31 Jan 08 09:35 PM

 Grammar Geek wrote:
However, in these sentences, you're using a different voice: It's recommended that will be followed by the subjunctive, which uses the bare infinitive form (review, revise) as it does in the stuff you're reading.

Hi GG,

Can I exercise my right to be a jackass?  I seem to remember from high school: subjunctive mood; passive voice.  Am I wrong?

  - A.

Edit.  I also meant to ask, since it's now considered correct to not use the subjunctive, what's the alternative?

  
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Grammar Geek  #471244  Thu, 31 Jan 08 09:41 PM

I think you're right. I think subjunctive is a mood.

Why is it correct to not use the subjunctive?

  
Avangi  #471249  Thu, 31 Jan 08 09:51 PM

 Goodman wrote:
There are those who use modal in subjunctive which in my opinion is improper but some considered it acceptable. I wouldn't not ? recommend it.

Hi Goodman, 

Could you please give an example?

   - A.

  
Avangi  #471258  Thu, 31 Jan 08 10:07 PM

 Grammar Geek wrote:
Why is it correct to not use the subjunctive?

Hi GG,

Perhaps I spoke too soon (again).  I can't find the reference I wanted, but this one is amusing:

W. Somerset Maugham said that “The subjunctive mood is in its death throes, and the best thing to do is to put it out of its misery as soon as possible”. An alternative view is that the subjunctive mood remains an ordinary working feature of English grammar, but that it is called moribund because it is often indistinguishable from the ordinary present indicative.

  - A.

Edit.  Can't find it.  They say it's acceptable to replace "if I were" with "if I was" in most registers, but other uses persist.

  
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