Confused with verbs

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Anonymous  #471158  Thu, 31 Jan 08 06:16 PM

Hi, I usually edit some of the stuff my coworkers write around here, I believe I have good knowledge of what I'm doing but now I doubt it because of a document I'm reading right now...

This is how it reads (in many paragraphs):

"It is recommended that the agency review and revise the language on the website..."

My question is about the verbs in italics, I believe that since I'm talking about an agency it should be "reviews and revises"; when I brought this up to my supervisor she said no, because agency is singular, so the verb doesn't have a 's', well, I believe I'm right but as I said before I have doubts now, any help out there?

Thank you!

  
Grammar Geek  #471162  Thu, 31 Jan 08 06:26 PM

The sentences are correct, but your supervisor is out to lunch. Obviously, third-person singular nouns like "the agency" take third-person singular verbs, which DO end in S, for normal, declarative sentences. The agency reviews...

However, in these sentences, you're using a different voice: It's recommended that will be followed by the subjunctive, which uses the bare infinitive form (review, revise) as it does in the stuff you're reading.

It's right, but not for the reason your supervisor is suggesting.

  
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Anewcomer  #471173  Thu, 31 Jan 08 06:49 PM
Hi Grammar Geek.

Is this the same case as the sentence "you make it sound like horn" Where the sound has no "s"
  
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Marius Hancu  #471177  Thu, 31 Jan 08 06:55 PM
It is recommended that the agency review and revise the language on the website...

The sentence is correct, but the reason is the fact that recommend requires a subjunctive after it, and that subjunctive is review and revise.

The meaning is:

It is recommended that the agency should review and (should)  revise the language on the website ... (but this is a bit weaker).

Buy Swan, Practical English Usage.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive_mood

  
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Marius Hancu  #471178  Thu, 31 Jan 08 06:58 PM
 Anewcomer wrote:
Is this the same case as the sentence "you make it sound like horn" Where the sound has no "s"


No. That's an infinitive, which has the same form as the subjunctive in this case.

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Anewcomer  #471181  Thu, 31 Jan 08 07:05 PM
Thanks

Could anyone explain what indicative is ? it's said to be the opposite of subjunctive but i can't figure it out.
  
Marius Hancu  #471182  Thu, 31 Jan 08 07:08 PM
I am
you are
she is
I was
I will be

are all indicatives

Do some searches, say for
indicative grammar
indicative wikipedia

at Yahoo, also for
indicative
at this site (top right corner).

  
Goodman  #471190  Thu, 31 Jan 08 07:30 PM
 Anonymous wrote:

Hi, I usually edit some of the stuff my coworkers write around here, I believe I have good knowledge of what I'm doing but now I doubt it because of a document I'm reading right now...

This is how it reads (in many paragraphs):

"It is recommended that the agency review and revise the language on the website..."

My question is about the verbs in italics, I believe that since I'm talking about an agency it should be "reviews and revises"; when I brought this up to my supervisor she said no, because agency is singular, so the verb doesn't have a 's', well, I believe I'm right but as I said before I have doubts now, any help out there?

Thank you!

The experts already answered and commented on your question. Please allow me to throw in my two cents. This is a quite common error in ELS level learners because that was how they were taught on basic grammar. Actually, there is a bunch of verbs that fall into the subjunctive category which overrides the 3rd person singular rules. i.e.

 

I demand that everyone respect the rules…

I recommend that everyone be on time…

I advise that she take the warning seriously (no “s”)

We insist that he be on time (not is to be)

The present subjunctive is most familiar to us in formulaic expressions such as God help him, be that as it may, come what may, and suffice it to say. It also occurs in that clauses used to state commands or to express intentions or necessity

We insist that he do the job properly.

The committee proposes that she be appointed treasurer immediately. (notice the main sentence is using the 3rd person/ singular while the clause was not!)

It is essential that we be informed of your plans. Hope that helps...

 

  
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Anewcomer  #471202  Thu, 31 Jan 08 07:56 PM
Can i say: It is essential that we are informed of your plans.
Help him understand
It is essential that we should be informed of your plans.
We insist that he must be on time

For alternative purpose

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