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Infinik  #505092  Fri, 25 Apr 08 02:38 AM

hi

I'm wondering if there's a grammatic or syntactic term ( or just speech part?!) named for the part "feed" (as opposed to "fly") in the sentence below? Counterpart? phrasal verb? Or is it just simply two sentences connected by "and" with the second sentence omitting the subject and modal verb?

 Bats can fly and feed in the dark.

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Clive  #505095  Fri, 25 Apr 08 02:47 AM

Hi,

I'm wondering if there's a grammatic or syntactic term ( or just speech part?!) named for the part "feed" (as opposed to "fly") in the sentence below? Counterpart? phrasal verb?

Or is it just simply two sentences connected by "and" with the second sentence omitting the subject and modal verb? <<< Yes. That's how I would express it.

If you want to look only at the word 'feed', it's a past participle. You could also consider it as simple past tense (ie  Bats can fly and (bats) feed in the dark), but joining two different tenses by 'and' like this is not usually advisable. 

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CalifJim  #505116  Fri, 25 Apr 08 03:19 AM
 I thought fed was the simple past and the past participle of feed.

Did I miss something?  Smile

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CalifJim  #505120  Fri, 25 Apr 08 03:31 AM
 [Bats can] fly and feed [in the dark].

The material in brackets is shared between two sentences:

Bats can fly in the dark (and) bats can feed in the dark.

fly and feed are verbs, if you want the part of speech involved here.

CJ 

  
Clive  #505132  Fri, 25 Apr 08 03:44 AM

Sorry, a lapse of attention. I'm obviously unable to type and think at the same time tonight.Surprise

Clive

 

  
Pter  #505156  Fri, 25 Apr 08 04:48 AM
Is it pointing out a special skill of the bats - feeding while flying in the dark?  Birds can catch the prey in the air but can't eat while flying.  I am not sure if bats can actually eat their preys right after catching them when they are still flying, but the sentence gives me this impression.  If this is the case, the sentence is not a simple joining up of two sentences with independent meanings. Do you think so?
  
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CalifJim  #505197  Fri, 25 Apr 08 06:53 AM
 Pter,

I think this may be a case of "digging too deep".  Smile

Pter
If this is the case, the sentence is not a simple joining up of two sentences with independent meanings.
It seems to me that it is the case, but I don't understand why that means that the sentence is not the result of joining sentences with independent meanings.  What is the dependency you see between flying and feeding?

CJ 

 

  
Pter  #505206  Fri, 25 Apr 08 07:24 AM
What I mean is that the following are not the same:

1a. Bats can fly in the dark.    PLUS

1b. Bats can feed in the dark.

 

2. Bats can fly and feed in the dark.

"fly and feed" go together to convey the meaning that bats can feed "on the fly" (sorry, I couldn't help it, "on the fly" isn't exactly appropriate here, but it sounds cool by using it literally in this case).  Just like bread and butter, or a black and white dress.  You don't have a black dress and a white dress, but a black and white dress.  I guess that might be the reason why the OP asked this question.  But, oh yes, I think I am digging too deep.  There is probably no special term for describing this.

  
Infinik  #505208  Fri, 25 Apr 08 07:28 AM

CalifJim
[Bats can] fly and feed [in the dark].

 

The material in brackets is shared between two sentences

 Any liguistics meaning for this? Just wondering...

  
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