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Helenezh  #472135  Sun, 03 Feb 08 02:52 PM

Hi everybody, this forum is very knowledgeable, could anyone help me? From 6 yeas, I didn’t writer in English. Now I must send an email to a professor to ask him some questions. I’m afraid that he couldn’t understand my poor English. Would you please read my lines and correct my sentences?

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Dear professor,

I am doctoral student at Ecole des Hautes Etudes in Paris and I am process of writing my dissertation devoted to examining “Representations of emperors in monasteries and temples under T’ang and Song”. Professor *** gave me your email address and advised me to writer to you for some intractable questions:

I)                About the statues that Xuanzong (Li Longji)ordered in 743 to establish in Kaiyuan monasteries and Kaiyuan temples, some history sources reported those images represented probably the emperor in form of the Celestial Venerable of the Primordial Beginning (Yuanshi Tianzun), but we know the most of figures of Xuanzong in place of worship took his own look or the appearance of Immortals (Zhenren)(for example in Ziji Palace and Shangqing Palace), do you think, from the point of view of Taoist theory and in the background which the court imperial venerated Laozi as their ancestor, it was possible that an icon was made for representing Tang sovereign in form of Yuanshi Tianzun? If it was, is that judged incoherent with the figure in form of Zhenren?

II)              Did Taoists have the same tendency as their Buddhist opponents to developer at level of theory the idée of“God-Emperor”by identifying the emperor with the divinity?  

I am perplexed by these questions for a long time. Would you please give me some advises?  I’d appreciate you sending me any information you have available.

Thanks for your time.  

Yours faithfully,"

  
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Helenezh  #472141  Sun, 03 Feb 08 03:01 PM

Edited by moderator to delete the triple post.

  
Helenezh  #472146  Sun, 03 Feb 08 03:06 PM

Duplicate post

  
Clive  #472175  Sun, 03 Feb 08 04:48 PM

Hi,

Here are some edits and suggestions.

Do you need to tell him that you will acknowledge him in your dissertation as the source of any information or ideas that he supplies to you?

Good luck, Clive

could anyone help me? From 6 yeas, I didn’t writer in English. Now I must send an email to one professor to ask him some questions. I’m afraid that he couldn’t understand my poor English. Would you please read my lines and correct my sentences?thanks a lot !!!!

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Dear Professor ***,

I am a doctoral student at Ecole des Hautes Etudes in Paris, and I am in the process of writing my dissertation devoted to examining “Representations of emperors in monasteries and temples under T’ang and Song”. Professor *** gave me your email address and suggested that I should write to you for advice on some difficult questions, as follows.

I would be most grateful for any thoughts and asistance you are kind enough to offer.

I)                With regard to the statues that Xuanzong (Li Longji) ordered to be established in Kaiyuan monasteries and temples in 743, some historical sources report that those images represented probably the emperor in form of the Celestial Venerable of the Primordial Beginning (Yuanshi Tianzun). Howver, we know the most figures of Xuanzong in places of worship took his own look or the appearance of Immortals (Zhenren) (for example, in Ziji Palace and Shangqing Palace). Do you think, from the point of view of Taoist theory and against the background in which the imperial court venerated Laozi as their ancestor, it was possible that an icon was made representing a Tang sovereign in form of Yuanshi Tianzun? If it was, is that judged inconsistent ???? with the figure in the form of Zhenren?

II)              Did Taoists have the same tendency as their Buddhist opponents to develop at the level of theory the idea of  the “God-Emperor”, by identifying the emperor with the divinity?  

I have been perplexed by these questions for a long time. Once again, I would be greatly in your debt for any advice you are able to offer me.

Thank you for your time and consideration.  

Yours sincerely,


 

  
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julielai  #472222  Sun, 03 Feb 08 08:32 PM

You need to fix the highlighted bits.

 Helenezh wrote:

Dear professor ***,

 I am a doctoral student at Ecole des Hautes Etudes in Paris and I am process of writing my dissertation devoted to examining “Representations of emperors in monasteries and temples under T’ang and Song”. Professor *** gave me your email address and advised me to writer to you for some intractable questions:

 About the statues that Xuanzong (Li Longji)ordered in 743 to establish in Kaiyuan monasteries and Kaiyuan temples, some history sources reported that those images represented the emperor in form of the Celestial Venerable of the Primordial Beginning (Yuanshi Tianzun), but we know the most of figures of Xuanzong in place of worship took his own look or the appearance of Immortals (Zhenren)(for example in Ziji Palace and Shangqing Palace) Do you think, from the point of view of Taoist theory and in the background which the court imperial venerated Laozi as their ancestor, it was possible that an icon was made for representing Tang sovereign in the form of Yuanshi Tianzun? If it was, is that judged incoherent with the figure in form of Zhenren? (I don't understand your question either, and I'm Chinese.)

Did Taoists have the same tendency as their Buddhist opponents to developer at level of theory the idée (spelling) of“God-Emperor”by identifying the emperor with the divinity?  

 I have been perplexed by these questions for a long time. Would you please give me some advises (spelling)?  I’d appreciate you sending me any information you have available.

Thanks for your time.  

 Yours faithfully,

  
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Clive  #472240  Sun, 03 Feb 08 09:37 PM

Hi,

I already answered this in your other thread.

Clive

  
Feebs11  #472242  Sun, 03 Feb 08 09:42 PM
 Helenezh wrote:

Hi everybody, this forum is very knowledgeable, could anyone help me? From 6 yeas, I didn’t writer in English. Now I must send an email to a professor to ask him some questions. I’m afraid that he couldn’t understand my poor English. Would you please read my lines and correct my sentences?

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Dear professorProfessor [name]

I am a doctoral student at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes in Paris and I am in process of writing my dissertation devoted to examining “Representations of emperors in monasteries and temples under the  T’ang and Song dynasties”. Professor *** gave me your e-mail address and advised me to write to you for some intractable questions: about some problems I have met.

 

I)                About the statues that Xuanzong (Li Longji)ordered in 743 to establish place in Kaiyuan monasteries and Kaiyuan temples, some history sources reported that those images probably represented  the emperor in form of the Celestial Venerable of the Primordial Beginning (Yuanshi Tianzun), but we know that most of figures of Xuanzong in places of worship took his own look were portraits or took the form  of Immortals (Zhenren)(for example in Ziji Palace and Shangqing Palace). Do you think, from the point of view of Taoist theory and in terms of the background in which the Imperial Court venerated Laozi as their ancestor, that it was possible that an icon was made for representing the Tang sovereign in the form of Yuanshi Tianzun? If it was, is that judged inconsistent with the figure in the form of Zhenren?

II)              Did Taoists have the same tendency as their Buddhist opponents to develop at a theoretical level  the concept of  of“God-Emperor” by identifying the emperor with divinity?  

I have been perplexed by these questions for a long time. Would you please give me some advice?  I’d appreciate you sending me any information you have available.

Thanks for your time.  

Yours sincerely,"



With three separate answers, you should be able to send a very clear letter to the professor  Wink [;)]
  
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Helenezh  #472729  Tue, 05 Feb 08 01:34 AM

Yes, I didn’t believe that I could get so much helps. Thank you for your help warm-hearted.

By the way, I noticed that you added a lot of “that” in my sentences. When I learned English in college, my teacher told us that “that” can often be omitted in the clause, is it right?

I formulated again my second question. Do you think that is correct?

II) Certain Taoists under the T’ang (for example Du Guangting) declared that the heavenly deities such as the Great Saint (dasheng), the zhenren, the zhenren on High (gaozhen), the Superior Immprtal (shangxian) and the Seven Primordial Lords of the Plough (beidou qiyuanjun) would descend to earth one after another to be the sovereign; after completing their mission on earth, the deities would then return to heaven. But how about Tianzun? Does he also descend to earth to be the sovereign? Were there some emperors who were viewed as the incarnation of Tianzun?

Once again, thanks a lot, all of anonymous friends.Smile [:)]
  
Helenezh  #472735  Tue, 05 Feb 08 01:54 AM

Hi Clive,

ok! I got you correction. And I followed your suggestions that I think very helpful. In fact, I must express at first my boundless gratitude for you, all of anonymous friends, in my dissertation..Big Smile [:D]


I formulated again my second question. Do you understand?

II) Certain Taoists under the T’ang (for example Du Guangting) declared that the heavenly deities such as the Great Saint (dasheng), the zhenren, the zhenren on High (gaozhen), the Superior Immprtal (shangxian) and the Seven Primordial Lords of the Plough (beidou qiyuanjun) would descend to earth one after another to be the sovereign; after completing their mission on earth, the deities would then return to heaven. But how about Tianzun? Does he also descend to earth to be the sovereign? Were there some emperors who were viewed as the incarnation of Tianzun?

thanks

hélène

  
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