We could hear if anyone came along the trail.

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New2grammar  #537910  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:07 PM
We followed the trail into the woods. After about an hour, we came out onto a remote beach. It was so quiet we could hear if anyone came along the trail.

Is the above natural and correct?

Thanks.

  
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Ant_222  #537913  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:14 PM
I think it's OK except for the last clause, which should be either "...so quite we would hear if anyone came along the trail" or "...so quiet we could/would hear anyone come along the trail"

But you should know I am not fluent in English, if to put it midly...
  
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New2grammar  #537914  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:20 PM
Thank you, Ant. I actually debated whether to include 'if'. I feel that without 'if' as in your latter suggestion, it's still conditional. What do you think?

Regarding could or would, I feel both are OK. In other words, all your suggestions sound good to me. And I don't see anything wrong with the original, of course, otherwise, I would not have written it :) . What I mean is I don't see 'if' as a reason not to use 'could'.

  
Ant_222  #537920  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:29 PM
"I feel that without 'if' as in your latter suggestion, it's still conditional. What do you think?"

Conditional with "would", but not with "could". Also note that the omission of "if" is not the only change I made: I also replaced "came" with "come". That's essential.

"And I don't see anything wrong with the original, of course, otherwise, I would not have written it :) . What I mean is I don't see 'if' as a reason not to use 'could'."

I don't agree with you, so I think we should ask a more competent person ;)
  
CalifJim  #537921  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:29 PM
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I don't see 'if' as a reason not to use 'could'.
Your reasoning is correct.  could here means would be able to, so would is implicitly included already within could.

CJ 

  
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New2grammar  #537924  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:33 PM
Ant_222
I also replaced "came" with "come". That's essential.
I noticed that. I would have done that too as hear is followed by a bare infinitive. However, the past tense is probably possible if 'that' is implied.For example, I heard (that) he talked to you.
  
Ant_222  #537925  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:37 PM
"I heard (that) he talked to you."

It's correct, but the meaning is totally different.

"I heard he talked to you" — "Someone told me he that he had talked to you".
"I heard him talk to you" — You were the direct witness, you heard the talk.
  
New2grammar  #537926  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:40 PM
Ant_222
"I heard he talked to you" — Someone told me he that he had talked to you.
"I heard him talk to you" — You were the direct witness, you heard the talk.


Yes. Exactly. But it doesn't make the original wrong, does it?
  
Ant_222  #537928  Mon, 07 Jul 08 07:45 PM
Yes — CJ confirmed you, although I still don't quite understand how 'could' works...
  
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