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yogi2005  #160828  Sun, 20 Nov 05 10:19 PM

hello,

Please, could you tell me when the nouns 'lettuce' and 'cake' are used as countable and uncountable nouns? as my dictionary says that they can be both.

 

thank you in advance

  
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My2sense  #160831  Sun, 20 Nov 05 10:43 PM

I baked a cake. 

 Lettuce is a mass noun meaning a determiner a/an is not used.  So we have to use a head of, a piece of, etc. to show quantity. For example: He bought a head of lettuce and then made a salad with a few pieces of lettuce.

  
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paco2004  #160833  Sun, 20 Nov 05 10:57 PM
"Lettuce" is countable before being served at the eating table, but uncountable when you eat.
     (EX) They grow cabbages and lettuces in the field.
     (EX) Do you prefer lettuce in your salad, or cabbage?

"Cake" is countable before being cut into pieces but after then it is uncountable.
     (EX) Mother is baking a cake for my birthday.
     (EX) Would you like to have some cake?

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My2sense  #160836  Sun, 20 Nov 05 11:07 PM

 Paco2004 wrote:
"Lettuce" is countable before being served at the eating table, but uncountable when you eat.
     (EX) They grow cabbages and lettuces in the field.
     (EX) Do you prefer lettuce in your salad, or cabbage?

"Cake" is countable before being cut into pieces but after then it is uncountable.
     (EX) Mother is baking a cake for my birthday.
     (EX) Would you like to have some cake?

paco

Lettuces means a variety of i.e. the different kinds of lettuce. Hence, lettuce is not countable.

  
paco2004  #160839  Sun, 20 Nov 05 11:17 PM
Hello My2senses

Whatever kind of lettuces they are, I can count lettuces, saying "one lettuce, two lettuces, three lettuces, ...". It would be because I am good at arithmetic. How about you?

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My2sense  #160843  Sun, 20 Nov 05 11:31 PM

 Paco2004 wrote:
Hello My2senses

Whatever kind of lettuces they are, I can count lettuces, saying "one lettuce, two lettuces, three lettuces, ...". It would be because I am good at arithmetic. How about you?

paco 

Horrible at arithmetic but the plural of lettuce is lettuce. I can count 1 head of lettuce, 2 heads of lettuce and so on.

  
paco2004  #160847  Sun, 20 Nov 05 11:48 PM
 My2sense wrote:
Horrible at arithmetic but the plural of lettuce is lettuce. I can count 1 head of lettuce, 2 heads of lettuce and so on.
 You can count lettuces that way. But I would come to get a HEADache when I hear it.

paco
  
My2sense  #161106  Mon, 21 Nov 05 03:41 PM

I think what we have here is a difference between American English and British English.  From what my British colleagues tell me they buy 2 lettuces and from what I know being a speaker of American English is that we buy 2 heads of lettuce.

Result is:  it can be used either way.

 

  
paco2004  #161116  Mon, 21 Nov 05 04:07 PM
I think you are right.

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