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Ildhund    701067 Sat, 18 Apr 09 09:40 PM

"They need to have words and phrases that communicate the desired general concepts to the general public."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/24/newsid 2785000/2785265.stm describes Queen Mary's last day:
"During the past hours Queen Mary's condition has become more grave. There has been a serious weakening of the heart action which gives rise to increasing anxiety." The third bulletin, at 1900 GMT, was brief: "Queen Mary's strength is ebbing, but Her Majesty is sleeping peacefully." The fourth and final bulletin was to announce her death.
This seems to me to communicate the general concepts perfectly adequately, using terms which anyone should be able to understand, even pedants.

Noel
Peter Duncanson    701070 Sat, 18 Apr 09 11:25 PM

"Black: Deceased Double Red: Critical Red: Critical but stable Double Amber: Stable Amber: Satisfactory Green-Amber: Comfortable Green: Progressing well White: Discharged"

"Only a man could combine the concepts of "white" and "discharge" to mean "everything is OK"..."

"Discharged" is an administrative or organisational status rather than a state of health. It doesn't describe a patient's health so doesn't really fit into any colour coding that is based on a patient's condition.
I chose "white" having in mind a blank sheet of paper symbolic of the hospital having nothing to say on the patient's state of health.

Peter Duncanson, UK
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Peter Duncanson    701083 Sat, 18 Apr 09 11:59 PM

"They need to have words and phrases that communicate the desired general concepts to the general public."

""During the past hours Queen Mary's condition has become more grave. There has been a serious weakening of the heart ... Mary's strength is ebbing, but Her Majesty is sleeping peacefully." The fourth and final bulletin was to announce her death."

That is true, but that gives too much information for an NHS hospital statement about a patient. Those cryptic descriptions of a patient's condition are given in response to enquiries from the press. A patient's relative or other representative can give more detailed information if they so wish.
I imagine that it is relatively easy for a hospital spokesperson to discover a patient's condition in terms of the seven or eight standard categories. To get more detail it might be necessary to take up the time of a appropriately senior doctor to get an assessment of a patient's condition and to agree suitable wording.
There is also the point that a patient or relatives might be happy to have a cryptic condition statement issued but would not want more details to be published.
"This seems to me to communicate the general concepts perfectly adequately, using terms which anyone should be able to understand, even pedants."

Peter Duncanson, UK
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Molly Mockford    701091 Sun, 19 Apr 09 03:20 AM

At 23:25:39 on Sat, 18 Apr 2009, Peter Duncanson
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""Discharged" is an administrative or organisational status rather than a state of health. It doesn't describe a patient's health so ... mind a blank sheet of paper symbolic of the hospital having nothing to say on the patient's state of health."

I rest my case, m'lady.
(And I am, I suppose, rather pleased that Mr Duncanson has never encountered a white discharge.)

Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin (My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)
Molly Mockford    701092 Sun, 19 Apr 09 03:38 AM

At 21:40:09 on Sat, 18 Apr 2009, Ildhund (Email Removed) wrote in :
"A bulletin released at Marlborough House at 1140 GMT was the first warning that her condition was causing some anxiety. ... on a screen of corrugated iron protecting stonework repairs to the front of the gateway, was issued at 1340 GMT."

Since we were not informed as to the style of framing of the first bulletin (was it gold, or gilt, or plain black wood?) this more detailed description of the second bulletin is somewhat lost on us.

However, I am pleased to hear of the corrugated iron protecting stonework repairs to the front of the gateway, even though these were apparently screened from view; these days, the opportunities for honest British working men to exercise the skills of their craft are fewer, and farther between.
(Because no bugger will pay them.)
"The third bulletin, at 1900 GMT, was brief: "Queen Mary's strength is ebbing, but Her Majesty is sleeping peacefully." The fourth and final bulletin was to announce her death."

What I, me and I remember is not the death of (HMS) Queen Mary, but that of King George VI (pronounced "vee-eye" by those who are accustomed to refer to "One Clavdivs").
I remember the occasion vividly.
It occurred, with no prior consultation (to be fair, they didn't consult his elder daughter either, although she was rather embarrassingly up a tree in Kenya at the time), when I was a couple of months short of four years old - *and they cancelled "Listen With Mother" because of it*. Now, c'mon! Even I, a pre-school bairn, knew that the King would not have been paying attention to "Listen With Mother" even if he hadn't died.
For decades, I wanted to raise the matter with his widow. Or with his daughter. I never had the opportunity for the former; I was, once, in company with the latter, but (I am ashamed to say) bottled out. Let's face it - when you turn around, all unsuspecting, and find yourself confronting a wee wummin, five foot tall, with inch-thick make-up, a large hat, and an expression well-schooled in trying not to look bored - well, you just kind of fling yourself underneath the nearest trestle table, don't you?
(Those who have, somehow, never found themselves in this specific situation are not required to answer. Those who actually are eligible to reply should confine themselves to one side of foolscap.)
Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin (My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)
Peter Duncanson    701093 Sun, 19 Apr 09 10:27 AM

The similar occasion I remember most vividly (at least aspects of it) was the last few days of Winston Churchill's life. His personal physician Lord Moran would appear in public to deliver the latest health bulletin. He was dressed smartly like a character from an Edwardian drama, most notably wearing a wing collar. He pronounced "bulletin" with the final syllable as "teen".

Peter Duncanson, UK
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Peter Duncanson    701094 Sun, 19 Apr 09 10:31 AM

""Discharged" is an administrative or organisational status rather than a ... having nothing to say on the patient's state of health."

"I rest my case, m'lady. (And I am, I suppose, rather pleased that Mr Duncanson has never encountered a white discharge.)"

Only pus from an infected pore on my right arm.
As for Code Green, that should not be interpreted as a description of the patient's colour either. Greenness of a patient is not a sign that all is well.

Peter Duncanson, UK
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John Hall    701106 Sun, 19 Apr 09 11:10 AM

"What I, me and I remember is not the death of (HMS) Queen Mary, but that of King George VI (pronounced "vee-eye" by those who are accustomed to refer to "One Clavdivs")."

I don't recall the death of George VI, but I do remember a tremendous fuss about something called a "coronation" when I was four years old. I never discovered what a coronation was until much later.
John Hall "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." Anon
David    701111 Sun, 19 Apr 09 12:44 PM

"What I, me and I remember is not the death ... by those who are accustomed to refer to "One Clavdivs")."

"I don't recall the death of George VI, but I do remember a tremendous fuss about something called a "coronation" when I was four years old. I never discovered what a coronation was until much later."

It's when someone gets coronated - as I once heard on that charming US TV proggy about three witch sisters.

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