This cruelty should be stopped !

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semsettintabur  #90225  Fri, 15 Apr 05 09:28 AM

Don't you think that some emperialist countries such as the united states of america, france, england, the nedherland exploit others? Especially imposing their languages, currencies, cultural characteristics, those countries suck underdeveloped countries. It is said that slavery was abolished but more dangerously these imperialist countries grasp offended people's right of thought.
  
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Ja-Mez  #90264  Fri, 15 Apr 05 12:10 PM
Personally I, as an American, think our beloved "country of the free" is the biggest effin' hypocrite on the face of the Earth. Freedom of Speech? Then explain the FCC. Equality? *snort* Riiight, don't tell me every time a black or Asian guy is denied a job and a white guy gets it that race doesn't have at least SOMETHING to do with it. Our beautiful USA is not just exploiting other countries (especially outsourcing in the Phillipines and Indonesia), she is exploiting her own people.

Tupac said it best, "The penitentiary is packed, and it's filled with blacks." True, the "minorities" are making mistakes on their own, but that's 99% because society has degraded them to the level that they have no other way but to rob, murder, or shoot up some crack to get by. Don't give me the "they're doing these stupid things themselves" attitude or the "if we gave them money they'd run to their nearest dealer" attitude. Do you honestly think that if we didn't give these people a real chance to get straight, to get right, to get a real meaningful life they wouldn't grab it? Do you really think these people LIKE being poor? Our very own capital, the esteemed District of Columbia, houses the most powerful people in America, in the world even. Her streets are also what the poorest in the country call home. This guy we call Mr. President is pursuing a war he cannot possibly win convcingly (yes, i do think Iraq is not over yet), he is speaking of building colonies on Mars, he dreams about having absolute control over people. And the rehab and shelter homes all across the continent are grossly underfunded.

Yes, what a wonderful country we have. I'm thinking of an eight-letter word, and four of them make up a certain basketball team in Chicago.

That's my word.


PS- I'm Asian.

PPS-If this post were to be censored/deleted I'm laughing because that just strengthens some of my points.
  
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nona the brit  #90280  Fri, 15 Apr 05 01:46 PM
Hi Ja-Mez

Re your pps - I can assure you that we moderators at English forums are not part of a worldwide conspiracy to stop you having your say. Smile [:)] Debate is encouraged here. You will only have parts of your post deleted if you use obscenities or are otherwise abusive or offensive.
  
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just the truth  #90530  Sat, 16 Apr 05 06:00 AM
Cute moderator, really cute.

I initially wrote something to the effect;

Definitely not a world wide conspiracy, just a localized one at englishforums.Smile [:)]

I got a email that approved the posting and this, below, is what appeared. As I said, Cute, really cute.Smile [:)]


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"Debate is encouraged here."

It's just a highly sanitized type of debate.

{I wonder how long this will last}
  
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MrPedantic  #90641  Sat, 16 Apr 05 05:45 PM
It’s an interesting point of view, semsettintabur and Ja-Mez. But your rhetoric falls into the category of ‘preaching for the converted’.

Let’s suppose you wanted to persuade some ‘undecideds’ to your point of view. Would you adopt the same style, or use some other technique?

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MrPedantic  #90941  Sun, 17 Apr 05 10:58 PM
...I initially wrote something to the effect...[sic]

If your words were indeed changed, JT, it seems extraordinary that a flaccid, slightly critical comment with a smiley was replaced with a pithy, rather more critical comment without a smiley.

If anything, your text has been improved.

MrP
  
leandro_tami  #92317  Fri, 22 Apr 05 06:05 AM
I'm afraid that the anglo culture is being imposed to the rest of the world, but those countries you mention are actively accepting its influence. I've seen people talking in Spanish but using from time to time words in English without a real need, and only because "it's fashion to speak in English" (even if you speak it horribly).
But beware, I'm giving you this opinion because I think you were talking about cultural influences. If you're talking about cultural things which are imposed by force to militarily-weaker countries, well, its a different scenario. In that case I would be completely against any kind of intervention which violates the freedom of each country to rule itself and have its own identity.
  
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Amandine  #92471  Fri, 22 Apr 05 05:29 PM
I don't agree with some of your points...I am French, but that is not the point, and I am aware that a lot of things about my country are not perfect..but I don't consider France is imposing its language, currencies and cultural features over underdeveloped countries and exploiting them..
Look, now in Europe, almost everybody has the same currency and I have never heard that they want to spread it to underdeveloped countries in Africa or Asia...About the language, now English is the international language, but it doesn't mean countries have to give up their native language...so many people speak 2 or more languages...it is just a way of communication....you know, even rich and powerful countries don't have the strenght to obliterate thousands of years of history that have underdeveloped countries.
I know a lot of things need to be done to allow these countries to be independant, but can they do it by themselves, without the help of countries that have the science, money??..
About the right of thought, this is a complex issue...if you refer to the situation in Irak, I couldn't more agree with you...but I can't help wondering how the situation would be without the war..would it be worst?better?people of emperialist countries have quiet, modern, peaceful lives and do not know how it is to live under a dictator...so do they have to let the same situation going on again and again or interfere?History has shown that sometimes interfere brings the better...but not always...
Emperialist countries can give the ideas that everything is under control, but no, a lot of trouble are going on also in the US and in France...they are not perfect either...
  
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leandro_tami  #92839  Sun, 24 Apr 05 05:44 AM
I don't feel that French culture is being imposed. In fact, I think we always admired France in many ways (and that's because there is a common phrase in our country that ends saying "... we built our country with French spirit").
When I said what I said I did it not with France, Germany or Italy in mind, but with the United States and the UK. Because of one reason or the other, their culture is being showed with higher intensity than a few years ago, and I think most people which are actually deeply influenced by them in some moment decided to accept that influence.
And yes, I was thinking in Iraq. I don't believe a country should interfere with another country by force only because they consider the future of all those unfortunate people ruled by a dictator will be better without it. First of all because I think they never thought in those people but in the profit they could do from the intervention. It is a complex subject which probably it was discussed in several other threads (I suppose, I'm not sure), and I'm not fluent enough with English to say completely what is on my mind. Just think in your own country, your own city or neighbourhood being destroyed by bombs of those who supposedly want to protect you.

"History has shown that sometimes interfere brings the better"

But not even a million particular situations recorded in mankind's history can determine what will happen in a new situation. Why not to think that country will be able to heal itself and find a peaceful way to live? And I can't consider that the result of the war of Iraq has been better than other alternatives. War not only kills people, destroys buildings and shatters the souls of those who survive. It also creats hate and resentment, which can produce horrible and nasty results even years after the conflict.
  
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