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Pter  +  485938 Fri, 07 Mar 08 07:40 AM
 Would you please help me to rank the degree of certainty in these statements:

1. It may take a few months to complete.

2. It could take a few months to complete.

3. It would take a few months to complete.

4. It should take a few months to complete.

5. It will take a few months to complete.

 

Context:

I am given a task, the complexity of which I am not able to determine at this moment.  To set the expectation, I want to get the message across that a few months is required in very complicated cases. Simple cases may take just a few days but I don't want to emphasize the trivial cases.  Which of the above statements is most suitable for this situation?  Is it better to add "up to" before "a few months"?

Thank you very much.

 

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CalifJim  +  485942 Fri, 07 Mar 08 08:11 AM
Pter
“rank the degree of certainty in these statements”
Language is not mathematics.  Your approach is completely wrong in my opinion, even though certainty does figure into some of these expressions, particularly the last.

1. It may take a few months to complete.  [It is possible that it will take ...; the speaker is being non-commital]

2. It could take a few months to complete.  [It is possible that it will take ... under some hypothetical condition(s) perhaps; the speaker is hinting that problems may arise which will prevent earlier completion; also non-commital.]

3. It would take a few months to complete.  [under some unstated or implicit condition(s), in an imaginary, hypothetical situation]

4. It should take a few months to complete. [It is expected that it will take ...; the speaker is estimating based on his knowledge of similar situations.]

5. It will take a few months to complete.  [confident assertion; the speaker claims to know]

As listed, 1, 4, and 5 are more or less in order of ascending optimism.  2 hints at problems (to my ear), so it might be considered even less optimistic than 1.  3 seems to require more context involving the conditions.  Otherwise 3 is just a more tentative version of 5.

CJ 

 

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CalifJim  +  485947 Fri, 07 Mar 08 08:24 AM
Pter
“Is it better to add "up to" before "a few months"?”
Adding up to gives the message that you may be able to complete the task sooner than a few months but that, on the other hand, if things don't go well, the full amount of time estimated will be necessary.

It seems to be that the problem you're facing is not a grammar problem, but an interpersonal communications problem!  It seems that you're bargaining.  Set your time high and see what kind of reaction you get!  Say "It will take 10 months."  See what they say.  Smile

CJ 

Pter  +  485976 Fri, 07 Mar 08 09:22 AM
CalifJim
“Language is not mathematics.  Your approach is completely wrong in my opinion, even though certainty does figure into some of these expressions, particularly the last.”
Thank you very much indeed, Jim, for your excellent reply.  You have replied to my question in a way that I wished but that I haven't asked.  I did think of asking the question in a different way but not sure how.  After reading your answers, I realized that these are exactly the impressions I got from these sentences, but didn't know how to put them into words.  And as a non-native speaker, I am not completely sure if my impressions are right.  You helped me to confirm my understanding of these statements.  I am quite sure about 4 and 5.  They definitely shouldn't be used in my case.  However, I have a hard time choosing between 1, 2 and 3 because

1. I am non-commital;

2. I am just making a general statement.  The complexity of different problems varies to a large extent.  Some unexpected situations may arise (and often arise) that will prevent earlier completion;

3. The completion date is conditional on availability of certain resources. 

So, I got a match for all 1, 2 and 3!

Perhaps, I should re-word the question in terms of degree of commitment.

CalifJim
“It seems to be that the problem you're facing is not a grammar problem, but an interpersonal communications problem!  It seems that you're bargaining.  Set your time high and see what kind of reaction you get! ”
More or less.  I call it setting expectations!

Does it mean MAY carries the meaning that the situation is under my control, but I just don't want to commit.  I can do it faster or I can do it slower.  It's just up to me. If so, this is not the meaning that I want to convey.  I'd better choose 2 then.  Do you think so?

Marius Hancu  +  486012 Fri, 07 Mar 08 10:55 AM
>Does it mean MAY carries the meaning that the situation is under my control, but I just don't want to commit?

No. It may or may not be under your control. You must come up for all alternatives with extra context in order to clearly define the expectations. Just the choice of a modal verb won't do. 

May just says that an outcome/result is possible, under the influence of factors which may have to be dependent or independent of you. 

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Pter  +  486042 Fri, 07 Mar 08 01:02 PM
Thanks Marius. I should have asked the following instead -

Does it mean MAY may carry the meaning that the situation is under my control, but I just don't want to commit?

I know MAY just suggests that an outcome is possible.  Maybe I'm pushing it too far.  What I actually meant is that would someone interpret my statement as "you just don't want to commit".  And to avoid the chance of being interpreted this way, should I better use option 2?

I forgot one more option:

It might take a few months to complete.

To me, may, might, would, could, all carries a certain degree of uncertainty.  Sometimes, I really find it difficult to choose the right (best) word for the right situation.

CalifJim  +  486202 Fri, 07 Mar 08 06:40 PM

Pter
“one more option  ... might ...”
Pter
“Does it mean MAY may carry the meaning that the situation is under my control, but I just don't want to commit?”
If you are working with someone in North America, any distinction involving differences in uncertainty between may and might will be lost on the listener.  In AmE, to my ear, might is just a bit more casual and may a bit more formal, but the meaning is the same.

These words are neutral with regard to whether you are in control or not and whether you want to commit.  All that you are saying (with may or might) is that it is possible that it will take a few months to complete.  You are saying that the probability of completion in a few months is non-zero.  It's non-commital in the sense that it gives very little information about the actual amount of time it will take.  It's not non-commital in the sense that you personally are not committed to doing the job.

CJ
Pter, 1 yr 245 days ago
 Thank you very much again, Jim.  It is very clear to me now.
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