Did you eat? OR Have you eaten?

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Pastsimple  #197611  Thu, 16 Feb 06 07:18 PM

Hello everyone! This is the fist post in my "Past Simple vs. Present Perfect series" and my first post ever. I will appreciate any comments you may have.

CONTEXT: We have a mother and son. The son sometimes has lunch at school canteen and sometimes doesn't. He may have lunch at a fast food restaurant on his way home. When he comes home, his mother asks...

Have you eaten yet? 

Did you eat yet? - possible in AmE only

...to find out whether he has had ANY lunch at all.

What if she wants to know whether he has had (or had?) lunch at school? What is she say going to say?

a) Did you eat at school?

b) Have you eaten at school?

I'd go for a) because the time is known, yet not explicitly mentioned.

 
  
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Clive  #197663  Thu, 16 Feb 06 11:31 PM

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

I agree with you about answer a.

I think the perfect is not appropriate here because 'her mind is in the past', she is not involved with the past as it impacts on the present; otherwise, she would say 'Have you eaten yet?', and not care much whether it was at school or in a restaurant.

Best wishes, Clive

  
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milky  #197695  Fri, 17 Feb 06 01:01 AM
 Pastsimple wrote:

Hello everyone! This is the fist post in my "Past Simple vs. Present Perfect series" and my first post ever. I will appreciate any comments you may have.

CONTEXT: We have a mother and son. The son sometimes has lunch at school canteen and sometimes doesn't. He may have lunch at a fast food restaurant on his way home. When he comes home, his mother asks...

Have you eaten yet? 

Did you eat yet? - possible in AmE only

...to find out whether he has had ANY lunch at all.

What if she wants to know whether he has had (or had?) lunch at school? What is she say going to say?

a) Did you eat at school?

b) Have you eaten at school?

I'd go for a) because the time is known, yet not explicitly mentioned.

 

If she wants to know if he is hungry or needs food at the moment of speaking, a) is correct in both AE and BE. Why? Because the use of school there is not only talking about the place, but a period in the day - and that period is over at the time of speaking. Like "school's out", a period.

If she wants to ask him only about the experience of eating at a certain place at any time in the past and up to, or just prior to, the moment of speaking, she would probably use "have you..." in BE. If she wants to ask him only about the experience of eating at a certain place on that day, she could use both "have you..." and "did you..." in BE.

Have you (ever) eaten at school/VIPS/Burger King, etc.

  
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Pastsimple  #197795  Fri, 17 Feb 06 07:03 AM
Thank you very much!
  
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