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Taka  +  380397 Sat, 16 Jun 07 04:19 PM
Do you native speakers percieve any semantic difference between 'die hard' and 'hardly die'? If you do, what is the difference?
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Buddhaheart  +  380434 Sat, 16 Jun 07 07:11 PM

'Die hard' as a noun means a person who refuses to give in or surrender easily. As an adjective, it means refusing to give in or hanging in till the end.

‘Hardly die' is just an adverb and a verb strung together. It is not the same as ‘die hard’at all.

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Taka  +  380437 Sat, 16 Jun 07 07:20 PM
 Buddhaheart wrote:

'Die hard' as a noun means a person who refuses to give in or surrender easily. As an adjective, it means refusing to give in or hanging in till the end.



Really??Surprise [:O] It is not used as a verb??

I've found this sentence.

 My father says old habits die hard; he can't quit smoking.

It seems that 'die hard' here is used as a verb (+adverbial)
Marius Hancu, 2 yr 158 days ago
You must have some pretty bad dictionaries if they show hardly and hard as being synonymous.
Taka  +  380465 Sat, 16 Jun 07 08:23 PM
 Marius Hancu wrote:
You must have some pretty bad dictionaries if they show hardly and hard as being synonymous.


Fortunately, none of mine says they are synonymous. But quite unfortunately, they don't really explain the difference in detail...
Buddhaheart  +  380470 Sat, 16 Jun 07 08:35 PM
 Taka wrote:
 Buddhaheart wrote:

'Die hard' as a noun means a person who refuses to give in or surrender easily. As an adjective, it means refusing to give in or hanging in till the end.



Really??Surprise [:O] It is not used as a verb??

I've found this sentence.

 My father says old habits die hard; he can't quit smoking.

It seems that 'die hard' here is used as a verb (+adverbial)

Yes, ‘die’ is a verb; but ‘die hard’ is NOT. ‘Hard’ is an adverb qualifying the verb ‘die’. What the quoted sentence means is old habits don’t go away easily or you can’t get rid of old habits easily. ‘Hard’ as an adverb here means ‘with difficulty’.

Taka  +  380473 Sat, 16 Jun 07 08:43 PM
 Buddhaheart wrote:

‘Hardly die' is just an adverb and a verb strung together.


 Buddhaheart wrote:

Yes, ‘die’ is a verb...‘Hard’ as an adverb here means ‘with difficulty’.



Then, my question is, again, what exactly is the difference between 'to die hard' and 'hardly to die'??
Yankee  +  380480 Sat, 16 Jun 07 08:55 PM
Hi Taka

It is hardly possible that the expression 'hardly to die' would be used. Smile [:)]

In 'hardly to die' and in my sentence above, the meaning of 'hardly' would be 'scarcely' or 'not at all'.

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Taka  +  380481 Sat, 16 Jun 07 08:56 PM
 Yankee wrote:
Hi Taka

It is hardly possible that the expression 'hardly to die' would be used. Smile [:)]

In 'hardly to die' and in my sentence above, the meaning of 'hardly' would be 'scarcely' or 'not at all'.



Well, the Die Hard guy doesn't seem to die at all in the movie.Smile [:)]
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