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lupa.pinheiro  #40845  Thu, 05 Aug 04 02:31 AM
Hi,
can someone tell me the difference and/or similarity between each paired examples (their syntactic relations):

1a) June is cooking dinner.
1 b)Dinner is cooking.

2a)Bill opened the door.
2b)The door opened.

3a)Ann is eating too much cake.
3b)Ann is overeating.

4a)Kate is running away from her family.
4b)Kate ran away yesterday.

5a)Mike talks all night long.
5b)Mike talked the night away.
Help please,.. ;^)
  
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lupa.pinheiro  #41347  Mon, 09 Aug 04 03:11 AM
1a. This is active. She actually does something
1b. Dinner is cooking. This is a passive sentence.

3a. She is just at this moment eating (present progressive)
3b. She is no longer eating. But it is a condition in which she is in. She is overeating.

5a. Just a fact. Shakespeare won`t be too impressed...
5b. This seems to be a metaphor. Nobody talks long enough to make the night run awayWink [;)]

How about this, is it going ok? and the rest, can sombody HELP PLEASE,.....
Thanks.
  
CalifJim  #41350  Mon, 09 Aug 04 05:45 AM
I have the feeling you are asking us to do your homework for you!Smile [:)]

It's not clear to me what the focus of your task is, but you might get a start from the following interpretations.

1a. June is causing the dinner to cook.
1a. June is causing (dinner is cooking).
1b. Dinner is cooking. (not passive)
1b. Someone (we don't know who) is causing (dinner is cooking).

2a. Bill caused the door to open.
2a. Bill caused (the door opened).
2b. The door opened.
2b. Someone (we don't know who) caused (the door opened).

3a. Ann is eating too much cake.
3b. Ann is eating too much (food).
3b. Ann is eating too much (of everything).

4a. Kate is running away from her family.
4a. Kate plans to run away from her family.
4b. Kate ran away (from somewhere) yesterday.
4b. Kate kept running until she was no longer present (somewhere) yesterday.

5a. Mike talks all night long.
5a. Mike has this habit: (He talks all night long.) (usually, often, sometimes)
5a. Mike has this habit: (He talks the night away.) (usually, often, sometimes)
5b. (One night in the past) Mike talked all night long.
5b. (One night in the past) Mike talked during the entire length of the night.
5b. (One night in the past) Mike talked the night away.
5b. (One night in the past) Mike talked during the night until it was no longer night.
  
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lupa.pinheiro  #41511  Tue, 10 Aug 04 01:53 PM
Hi Jim,
no, I'm not asking you to do my homework. Yes, I have some tasks to work on and I got some questions about it. Because in my group we got some different answers for these sentences, then, how I trust the answers that I get from this forum I decided to check it.
In sentences 1 and 2 I found some ergative verbs (they can be used without a direct object).
In sentence 3 both verbs are in present progressive, or for a condition that is realized by a repetition of actions over a period of time that started sometime in the past and will continue for sometime in the past and will continue for sometime in the future.
4a. is a plan and 4b is simple past.
5a.is a habit that he has (talk a lot)
5b. we have an idiom here.
So, I was just trying to ckeck answers, because I'm not sure about them, I don't know if they are enough, or if there are some more information that I could add to it.
Thanks,
Lupa
  
miriam  #41846  Thu, 12 Aug 04 08:08 AM
Hello, Lupa Smile [:)]

You are right about the first two pairs of sentences. Sentences "b" in both pairs have ergative verbs.
You posted that "dinner is cooking" is a passive sentence. The sentence has passive meaning (because dinner cannot be cooking itself) but it is not a passive construction. The same applies to "the door opened".

What you said about the third pair is also true. There is a difference between both sentences, though: 3.b. doesn't have a direct object. Even though "eating too much" and "overeating" seem to be identical in meaning, "overeat" is an intransitive verb while "eat" can be used transitively or intransitively.

Pair #4 is correct.

Pair#5: in the first sentence, "talk" is used intransitively; in the second, transitively.

Regards,

Miriam

  
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lupa.pinheiro  #41951  Thu, 12 Aug 04 08:03 PM
Hey Miriam,
always so kind,
Thankssss.
Smile [:)]
  
miriam  #42187  Sat, 14 Aug 04 03:15 PM
You're welcome, Lupa. Smile [:)]
I'm glad to have been of help.

Miriam
  
lupa.pinheiro  #42376  Sun, 15 Aug 04 09:27 PM
Hey guys from PUC,
why don't you take part of the discussion?
It will make it richer!
Bye,
Lupa Wink [;)]
  
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