Disappointing

   Share on Facebook  
Jandi  #70790  Sat, 29 Jan 05 12:53 PM
Please help me with this.

- It was very disappointing for you to give it up so soon.

Which does this mean?
1. 'You' were disappointed.
2. 'I/We' was/were disappointed.

Thank you very much.
  
Top 200 Contributor
Joined on Tue, Sep 7 2004
Full Member (348)
just the truth  #70791  Sat, 29 Jan 05 01:06 PM
It was very disappointing for you to give it up so soon.

Which does this mean?
1. 'You' were disappointed.
2. 'I/We' was/were disappointed.


It's impossible to tell without more context, Jandi.

It could be 'you' or 'I/we'.

It was very disappointing for you to give it up so soon, wasn't it?

It was very disappointing [to us] for you to give it up so soon.

  
Top 100 Contributor
Joined on Mon, Dec 27 2004
Regular Member (849)
Jandi  #70797  Sat, 29 Jan 05 01:18 PM
Thank you, JTT!
I still need your help. Please keep on helping me with this.

If so, can these all mean basically the same thing in the proper context?

1. It was very disappointing (to me) for you to give it up so soon.
2. It was very disappointing (to me) when you gave it up so soon.
3. I was very disappointed when you gave it up so soon.
4. I was very disappointed about you giving it up so soon.

Thank you very much.
  
just the truth  #70800  Sat, 29 Jan 05 01:52 PM
Yup, basically they all say the same thing, Jandi.
  
MrPedantic  #70841  Sat, 29 Jan 05 03:53 PM
Hello Jandi

Leaving out 'to me' gives sentence #1 a different meaning:

1. It was very disappointing for you to give it up so soon.

Here the 'disappointment' is felt by 'you', not 'me'.

There is another (perhaps slightly more common) way of using 'disappointing/disappointed':

2. It must have been very disappointing for you to fail your exams.
3. You must have been very disappointed when you failed your exams.

'It was very disappointing' has slightly too factual an air: we usually can only guess at others' feelings of disappointment. Using the 'must have' form avoids this factual air: it means 'I assume that you were very disappointed', etc.

MrP
  
Top 10 Contributor
Joined on Tue, Oct 12 2004
Veteran Member (12,231)
Proficient SpeakerSystemAdministrator
...opella forensis / adducit febris...
Jandi  #70933  Sun, 30 Jan 05 02:22 AM
Thank you very much. teachers!
Please help me again.

Leaving out 'to me' gives sentence #1 a different meaning:
The disappointment' is felt by 'you', not 'me'.

Q1. It is also the case for Sentence 2, right?

Q2. If I add "in you" to the sentence 3, is there any significant difference in meaning or nuance with Sentence 3 & 4?
- I was very disappointed in you when you gave it up so soon.

Thank you for your help and patience.
  
just the truth  #70942  Sun, 30 Jan 05 04:00 AM

1. It was very disappointing for you to give it up so soon.
2. It was very disappointing when you gave it up so soon.


Mr P wrote:
Leaving out 'to me' gives sentence #1 a different meaning:
The disappointment' is felt by 'you', not 'me'.


I respectfully disagree. Allowing that the tendency probably shifts to the disappointment being felt by 'you', not 'me', the other meaning could be there, set up by earlier conversation, context or intonation.

In 1 & 2, the disappointment being discussed could easily be felt by either party. "for you to give" could be paraphrased as "that you gave".

Sentences in isolation are easily misunderstood. Such is the problem in much of ESL; grammar books and teachers supplying isolated examples that don't have context.

English teaching in the Japanese school system is notorious for this. Even where there is context, say, in the textbooks, the writers often put in unnatural collocations.



  
MrPedantic  #70968  Sun, 30 Jan 05 09:56 AM
Allowing that the tendency probably shifts to the disappointment being felt by 'you', not 'me', the other meaning could be there, set up by earlier conversation, context or intonation.

I would have expected a perfect infinitive in a 'my disappointment' context for #1; but no doubt it could happen as you describe, JT. 'Expressing disappointment in others' is probably one of those cases where ambiguous phrasing is sometimes an advantage.

If I add "in you" to the sentence 3, is there any significant difference in meaning or nuance with Sentence 3 & 4?
- I was very disappointed in you when you gave it up so soon.

In this case, the 'in you' shows that the disappointment is keenly felt by the speaker. No ambiguity there.

MrP
  
Jandi  #70977  Sun, 30 Jan 05 10:55 AM
Thank you very much, teachers!

I think I've got it either about the meanings and about the nuance.
This was a big issue among my friends and Korean teachers.
Now it's completely solved.
- Context; it can't be too much emphasized, can it, JTT? -

Thank you again.

Have a nice day off, MrP.
Have a wonderful Sunday evening, JTT.

Enjoy the stillness of winter!
  
AddThis Feed Button RSS Feed: ESL General English Grammar Questions
© 2008 MediaCET Ltd.
Terms and Conditions & Terms of Service