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Yankee  #534462  Mon, 30 Jun 08 05:21 AM
Hi YL

No, 'do not I' doesn't work uncontracted in that sentence.  However, if a contraction is used, that is technically what the word order is.  
  
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Yoong Liat  #534464  Mon, 30 Jun 08 05:30 AM

Thanks, Amy.

  
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New2grammar  #534482  Mon, 30 Jun 08 08:39 AM
OK... Just to confirm, in this construction "do I not" and "don't I" are correct. "do not I" is wrong.

Avangi, what's wrong with "Every day, I do not receive a compliment"? I believe you're saying compliment must be plural.

  
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Yoong Liat  #534747  Mon, 30 Jun 08 05:50 PM

Yoong Liat

- Not only do I not receive any compliments, I constantly get criticised.
- Not only don't I receive any compliments, I constantly get criticised.

After pondering over the sentences, I feel that the short form ( don't ) cannot be used in a sentence in which inversion.is required.

And I think that is the cause for N2grammar's being still confused.

I hope some member will comment on what I've written so that N2G and I are clear as to what the correct usage should be.

Best wishes.

  
Avangi  #534781  Mon, 30 Jun 08 07:11 PM
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No, 'do not I' doesn't work uncontracted in that sentence.  However, if a contraction is used, that is technically what the word order is. 
Hi Yankee,  Just doin' my thing here.  Can you think of a sentence where "do not I" would work?  I was thinking it sounded sort of Elizabethan, like maybe The Merchant of Venice.  I couldn't find it, but came across lots of third person examples, like "Does not a doubling of oil prices need a fitting response?"  

Best wishes,  - A.
  
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Yankee  #535010  Tue, 01 Jul 08 07:59 AM
Hi Avangi

This goes off in a slightly different direction since it leaves the "Not only" aspect out of the discussion.

To me, "do not I" would sound rather biblical (or so sayeth the Lord). Stick out tongue
On the other hand, the contraction "don't I" is in common use.  However, when "don't I" is written out in uncontracted form, the standard is "do I not".

Avangi
I couldn't find it, but came across lots of third person examples, like "Does not a doubling of oil prices need a fitting response?"  
Would you feel comfortable using a pronoun that way?  In other words, would you be willing to change "a doubling of oil prices" to the word "it" and then say this:
"Does not it need a fitting response?"

Would you say or write any of these?
Do not you
Does not he/she
Do not we
Do not they


Those would sound poetic to me.  Possibly a highly stylized usage.
  
Yankee  #535013  Tue, 01 Jul 08 08:35 AM

Yoong Liat
After pondering over the sentences, I feel that the short form ( don't ) cannot be used in a sentence in which inversion.is required.
Hi YL
Here is one last try:

"Don't I receive" is a standard way to write the contracted form of the inversion "do I not receive".
In other words:
- don't I receive = do I not receive
- don't I receive is a subject-verb inversion ==> The uninverted, uncontracted form is "I do not receive"

I would agree that using the contraction is less formal. However, that does not mean that the contraction cannot be used.
  
Avangi  #535258  Tue, 01 Jul 08 05:40 PM
Yankee
, would you be willing to change "a doubling of oil prices" to the word "it" and then say this:
"Does not it need a fitting response?"
Thanks, Yankee.  I've seen this technique used elsewhere in the forums, and have noticed that it works very effectively.  It just hasn't yet found its way into my subconscious.  (Poetry is okay, though.  Right?   [reply]  But it's not what we do here.)

  - A.
  
Yankee  #535268  Tue, 01 Jul 08 06:03 PM
Hi Avangi

Sure poetry is OK, but the "Not only" sentence in question doesn't seem to have been intended to be either poetic or particularly formal.

The thing is, pronouns sometimes have "restrictions" that nouns simply don't have.  Just think about phrasal verbs.  For example, we can say:
"He picked the ball up"
-OR-
"He picked up the ball". 

However, if we replace the word "ball" with a pronoun (it), then there is basically only one way to say the sentence:
"He picked it up."

Saying "He picked up it" would sound "wrong" to native speakers of AmE.  Wouldn't you agree?
  
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