Embedded sentences

This is a discussion thread · 39 replies
1 2 3 4 5
Guest:
I'd like to know everything about "EMBEDDED SENTENCES AND RELATIVE CLAUSES". I have been having troubles with that at school and it's been hard to understand. Thanks a lot. Send me your message to
Thread is locked
2 comments The concept of "embedded" clauses is sometimes hard to understand, and some pople confuse it with "subordinate" clauses. The difference is not always easy to see.

The following will not be a "book" explanation, so hopefully it will be fairly easy to understand.
Two types of dependent clauses exist: subordinate clauses and embedded clauses.
Subordinate clauses are perhaps easier to recognise, they are "adjuncts". They could be ommitted without making the sentence ungrammatical. The words that introduce this type of clause are called "subordinators", and they have specific meaning (because, since, although,, etc.).
Embedded clauses are constructions that have been "fixed firmly into a surrounding context". Unlike subordinate clauses, which are in a way "added" to the main clause, these type of clause becomes a necessary part of the main or "container" clause. Embedded clauses would, more often than not, make a sentence ungrammatical if they were omitted. Certain types of nominal clauses and relative clauses are not "subordinate" but "embedded" clauses. Why? Because, unlike subordinate clauses, embedded clauses are necessary for a sentence to be grammatical. Embedded clauses are "high rank" propositions inside a larger unit; they can be thought of as "sentences within larger sentences".
In the case of nominal clauses, those introduced by "that" and "for" are embedded clauses. Both introductory words, called "complementisers" in order to differentiate them from "subordinators", are only links and have no meaning of their own.
"It was a pity (that Sharon's car broke down)."

Relative clauses are a special case of embedded clause. These are different from other embedded clauses in that they do not need to begin with "that" or any other complementiser but can, instead, begin with a "wh-word" (a relative pronoun like "who" or "which"). The relative pronoun will be usually either the subject or the object of the embedded clause.

In the sentence
"This is the mechanic (who repaired Sharon's car)."
"who repaired Sharon's car" is a relative clause (embedded clause). This clause is a sentence that has been "embedded" into another. You could rewrite the first sentence as two different sentences:
"This is the mechanic" and "The mechanic repaired Sharon's car"
"who" in the original sentence is the subject of the relative clause.

There are relative clauses introduced by "that", but this "that" is different from the one that I mentioned before and which introduced nominal clauses. Compare:

1. "This is the book (that I bought yesterday)." --> relative clause
and
2. "I told her (that I bought a book yesterday)." --> nominal clause

In sentence #1, "that" is a complementiser; it introduces the clause but has no function within it, it is not a relative pronoun.
In sentence #2, "that" is a relative pronoun and it has a function within the relative clause, it is its subject.
Both sentences contain embeded clauses, I only wanted to show the difference between "that" in the first sentence and in the second.

Hopefully, this will give you an idea about embedded clauses. If it doesn't, please let me know. Emotion: smile

Also, here's the url of a post where you will find more information about relative clauses: http://www.englishforums.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=30993

Miriam
Regular Member826
Retired Moderator: A moderator who has retired.Teachers: Users in this role are certified teachers. This may include DELTA, CELTA, TESOL, TEFL qualified professionals. Email a scan of your qualification to an admin, if you wish to be considered.
Thread is locked
Guest:
Hi Miriam.
Well, by now it's gonna be really helpful. So, thanks a bunch!
Leandro
Thread is locked
You're welcome, Leandro Emotion: smile
Retired Moderator: A moderator who has retired.Teachers: Users in this role are certified teachers. This may include DELTA, CELTA, TESOL, TEFL qualified professionals. Email a scan of your qualification to an admin, if you wish to be considered.
Thread is locked
Anonymous:
Thank you. This explanation has helped us very much. My daughter is writing a paper on the Great Gatsby and she needs to include two embedded sentences in each paragraph. I did not have a clue what an embedded sentence was, but your explanation made it simple. Thank you once again.

Mother of Carolyn.
Thread is locked
I believe the explanations of the two numbered sentences are reversed regarding which is the complementizer and which is the relative pronoun.

CJ
Veteran Member51,720
Moderator: A super-user who takes care of the forums. You have the ability to message a moderator privately should you wish. These users have a range of elevated privileges including the deletion, editing and movement of posts when needed.Proficient Speaker: Users in this role are known to maintain an excellent grasp of the English language. You can only be promoted to this role by the Englishforums team.
Thread is locked
Anonymous:
Hi Miriam,

The information provided are quite helpful. I would like to know whether you can help me in converting a passage into an embedded passage. This is for my TESOL diploma and I am totally confused about it. Please reply me if you can help.

Thanks and Regards,

Praveen Karumathil ( Malaysia)
Thread is locked
Anonymous:
[hi thanks, for that but what would this be:

his affections, like ivy, were the growth of time, they implied no aptness in the object.
Thread is locked
Anonymous:
Hi, I am writing a piece on the history of the word "embedded" and would like to know if the second sentence of the following is an "embedded" clause:

Even mathematicians have employed a use for the word embedded. You might have to ask the likes of Stephen Hawkings for an explanation of that one though, which I discovered is possible by emailing his website.

Many thanks in advance.
Thread is locked
Show more
Live chat
Registered users can join here