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Rab C Nesbitt - BT:
Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council which contains the expression "
we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. "
Fuller context is
"
Thank you for pointing out this apparent anomaly and we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. Unfortunately, this may take some time but it will be progressed.
"
What date would the assembled experts have guessed for such wording??? I would have started 1910-ish, but having been 30 years in Computing am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??

Yours aye
Rab
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John Hall:
[nq:1]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council ... have started 1910-ish, but having been 30 years in Computing am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??[/nq]
It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.

John Hall
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Bob Cunningham:
[nq:1]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council ... have started 1910-ish, but having been 30 years in Computing am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??[/nq]
I strongly doubt that any English user of any century would have used English those ways. I suspect the text was written by a non-native English speaker whose English usage was still far from acceptable.
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John Briggs:
[nq:2]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received ... am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??[/nq]
[nq:1]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
And wouldn't have said "it will be progressed."

John Briggs
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Molly Mockford:
At 20:55:58 on Wed, 14 Sep 2005, John Briggs (Email Removed) wrote in :
[nq:2]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make ... council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
[nq:1]And wouldn't have said "it will be progressed."[/nq]
I suspect that around 1910 the passive voice would have ruled supreme.

"In reference to your letter of the 10th inst., the subject matter has been noted and will receive our attention."
There would have been no advance apologies for delays - nobody would have expected instant action anyway.
(And yes, I was - many decades ago - taught the usage of inst., ult. and even prox. For those who weren't, they stand for "this month", "last month" and "next month".)

Molly Mockford
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David:
[nq:1]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council which contains the expression " we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. "[/nq]
Obviously the writer thought "we are trying to find someone to look into the matter" too plain.

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John of Aix:
[nq:2]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received ... am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??[/nq]
[nq:1]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
Modern gobbledygook for me too, and 'progressed' is not used in this sense except by wafflers without knowledge, of the type that seems to have written the notice.
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Molly Mockford:
At 21:41:48 on Wed, 14 Sep 2005, David (Email Removed) wrote in (Email Removed):
[nq:2]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received ... " we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. "[/nq]
[nq:1]Obviously the writer thought "we are trying to find someone to look into the matter" too plain.[/nq]
It's just occurred to me that "envisaged" is probably a spell-checker's substitution for an incorrectly-spelled "investigated".
Molly Mockford
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Giles Todd:
[nq:1]Thank you for pointing out this apparent anomaly and we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. Unfortunately, this may take some time but it will be progressed.[/nq]
Sounds to me like modern management-speak, with helpful input from the Legal, Marketing and Human Resources departments.
Giles
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