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Cool Breeze  +  491113 Thu, 20 Mar 08 04:18 PM
 Hi Lawee

1. It is a fact that nations that are economically interdependent are less likely to wage war against each other than those who have no such relations. Knowledge of neighbouring countries and their cultures is also an asset.

2. The more power the European Parliament has, the less power the parliaments of the EU countries have. If power increases somewhere, it decreases somewhere else. This may not bode well for the future of the EU. Should a conflict arise, there may be angry citizens in some countries clamoring for  the right to decide about something  -  a right they no longer possess.

Joining the EU has enabled some poor Gypsies from Romania and Hungary to travel to Finland and beg on the streets. I had never seen beggars until last summer in downtown Helsinki. The advice the authorities give is no one should give them any money. If we do, there'll be more of them in future. One wonders how they can afford to come here if they are so poor. The authorities are certain the beggars don't get to keep all the money people give them.

It was an unwise decision to admit countries that are more or less mediaeval into the EU anyway.

Cheers

CB 

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Lawyee  +  491139 Thu, 20 Mar 08 05:17 PM
 You know, CB, the fact that there are states where there are poor people who have to beg, is the reason why all other states should help them. You must confess that the best way how these states can become wealthier is by a membership in the EU. If one of EU's main goals is solidarity, this is the best way how to demonstrate it.

When talking about beggars, I see many of them in my country as well but I've never asked them which country are they from. Do you think that they won't come to Finland if they weren't European citizens? I remember the time when Slovakia wasn't in EU and Slovak gypsies travelled to Belgium (and Finland as well, if I remember correctly) to misuse their social security system. I think this is not about the membership of the EU, nor is it about the "medievality" of these states. Btw. can you provide me with a list of those medieval states (I am afraid to find there my country as well). 

Cool Breeze

2. The more power the European Parliament has, the less power the parliaments of the EU countries have. If power increases somewhere, it decreases somewhere else. This may not bode well for the future of the EU. Should a conflict arise, there may be angry citizens in some countries clamoring for  the right to decide about something  -  a right they no longer possess.

To be precise, the EP has not such powers to lead the EU politics, in fact it is more an illusion to the citizens than reality. It is still Council that matters mostly - and this one is composed from ministers of the member states. So states still have power over the EU. 

So my question is: Are you satisfied with living in the EU or would you choose to live in a sovereign state? 

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Cool Breeze  +  491349 Fri, 21 Mar 08 09:36 AM
Lawyee
“When talking about beggars, I see many of them in my country as well but I've never asked them which country are they from. Do you think that they won't come to Finland if they weren't European citizens? 

 

I have never asked them, either. The journalists did when the dark-haired beggars appeared on the streets. It was big news and mentioned in newswpapers and television. If Romania and Finland weren't EU countries, it would be possible for us to stop them at the border.

To my mind, these people should be helped in their own countries. To have them travel to far-away places where they put up illegal camps under bridges and try to survive subzero winter temperatures is not my idea of handling their problems satisfactorily. There are countless charitable organisations that attempt to attend to the kind of social injustice that is still rampant in the world. The EU wasn't set up to have development aid as its main concern. It was primarily created as a union of countries of reasonably similar economic and social backgrounds and a desire to facilitate international commerce and decrease bureaucracy. Commerce is indeed easier these days but bureaucracy is on the increase.

It is the megalomania of some countries with a colonial past and nostalgic daydreams of grandeur that has led to the present indomitable anxiousness to create a United States of Europe, which can only be attained by accepting into the union countries that fall short of the minimum entry requirements. When Finland joined the EU in 1995, there was a referendum in which 53% of the people were in favour of joining the union and 47% were against it. As former Socialist countries have joined the EU, the union's popularity has declined somewhat in Finland. Norway and Switzerland will never join the EU, and more and more Finns are beginning to think Finland should pull out as well.

Some Finns think many of the would-be members which don't share Western European values ought to form their own union instead of trying to force their way into the West. That might not be such a bad idea. Personally I see nothing desirable in big size. I have never envied a country or a union because of its dimensions and the influence it exerts. I may be a little cynical but it seems to me that in most cases these "great powers" have a criminal record rather than a history.Smile

Cheers

CB 

Ruslana  +  500940 Tue, 15 Apr 08 08:14 AM

Cool Breeze

To my mind, these people should be helped in their own countries. ”

Yeah, I agree.
CB, do you think it's possible for a EU country to pull out of the union? What must happen for that? A referendum?

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Lawyee  +  500948 Tue, 15 Apr 08 08:35 AM
Every state has the right to leave the Union. This right was formally enacted by the Lisboa Treaty (concluded in 2007, still to be ratified by member states) but it was possible also before this Treaty (though no state did ever try to do that). The procedure of leaving isn't prescribed uniformly, it is prescribed by member states' constitution. In my country, for example, there should be a referendum about it.

But you can't force another state to leave the Union, so it cannot be expelled, if you meant that.

Cool Breeze  +  500950 Tue, 15 Apr 08 08:42 AM
Ruslana

CB, do you think it's possible for a EU country to pull out of the union? What must happen for that? A referendum?

 

Hi Ruslana

It depends on the country that wants to secede. The decision must be made according to the prevailing laws of the country in question. In Finland the law does not require a referendum even though we had one when we joined the union. Our parliament and government could make the decision to leave the EU if they wanted to  -  even without asking the people.

There is nothing about how a country secedes from the union in the treaties upon which the union is based. In other words, any member state is free to leave the union whenever it wants to.

CB 

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