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meantolearn  #126611  Sat, 13 Aug 05 09:41 AM

Hi MrM,

You wrote, "Ever means at any time."      Did you mean any time from the past, now and continuing on to the future?

Is it OK to say, "Thomas Edison invented the first-ever light bulb on earth" (We know nothing outside of our solar system.) or "Steve Job invented the first-ever personal computer on earth" or "Neil Armstrong made history by becoming the first-ever man to walk on the moon"?

Thanks for the help.

  
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MrPedantic  #126632  Sat, 13 Aug 05 12:00 PM

I have to ask, M2L.

Doesn't the production dictionary in question define 'production dictionary'?

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Mister Micawber  #126667  Sat, 13 Aug 05 02:50 PM

Sorry to leapfrog over MrP's enquiry.  My avatar precludes other modes of locomotion.


You wrote, "Ever means at any time."  Did you mean any time from the past, now and continuing on to the future?

Is it OK to say, "Thomas Edison invented the first-ever light bulb on earth" (We know nothing outside of our solar system.) or "Steve Job invented the first-ever personal computer on earth" or "Neil Armstrong made history by becoming the first-ever man to walk on the moon"?


Yes, at any time is at any time.

Your statements about Thomas A. Edison and Steve Job violate the reality principle-- we have no need to consider other planets in these contexts.  Your Neil Armstrong statement sounds fine.  Seeing first-ever in these contexts, however, forces me to consider the formation slightly adolescent in its redundance and enthusiasm, and I would not like to see it in a written essay or business letter-- a simple non-gradable first is sufficient.



  
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meantolearn  #126812  Sat, 13 Aug 05 11:48 PM

Hi MrM,

first-ever is a compound adj. and it contains an adj. 'first' + an adv. 'ever'.

'Ever' here probably is not associated with time. It is simply used as an intensifier, which modifies the adj. 'first' in front.

In short, first-ever simply means first. No wonder, the examples I presented made you feel a little uncomfortable.

from Cambridge

ever (EMPHASIS) 
adverb
used for emphasizing an adjective:
e.g. The orchestra is to perform its last ever concert/last concert ever tomorrow night at the Albert Hall.
e.g. Yesterday the company announced its first ever fall in profits.

from Longman

first-ever   adjective

e.g. her first-ever television interview

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MrP, I don't like to solve puzzle. Please ask your question in a different way.

 


 

  
meantolearn  #128416  Fri, 19 Aug 05 02:13 AM

Lowest Price Ever!

Is 'ever' an intensifier?

or, it means at any time?

or, it means something else?

Thanks,

 

 

  
MrPedantic  #128466  Fri, 19 Aug 05 07:44 AM
 Meantolearn wrote:

MrP, I don't like to solve puzzle. Please ask your question in a different way.

 

Hello M2L

Doesn't the 'production dictionary' have an entry for 'production dictionary'?

It seems an oversight!

MrP

  
meantolearn  #128646  Fri, 19 Aug 05 08:52 PM

Hi MrP,

Now, I see.

Have you read 'Longman Language Activator'?

The dictionary claims it is the world's first production dictionary.  

I think they've made up the term 'production dictionary', but unfortunately there is no such entry in it to explain it.

There are some descriptions on its sleeve though, but not explicitly.

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What about my questions:

"Lowest Price Ever!"

Is 'ever' an intensifier?

or, it means at any time?

or, it means something else?

Thanks,

  
MrPedantic  #128729  Sat, 20 Aug 05 12:51 AM

Well, I'd take it in its temporal sense, i.e.

"This item has never been sold at a lower price."

MrP

 

 

  
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