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Taka  #229923  Sun, 28 May 06 04:13 PM
In that country, only one or two in every thousand people divorce every year.

If I ommit 'every' above (i.e. In that country, only one or two in one thousand people divorce every year), does it still make sense?
  
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Grammar Geek  #229925  Sun, 28 May 06 04:19 PM

Yes, but more natural would be "only one or two in a thousand" or "only one or two per thousand."

By the way, if this is a real example, since when you have a divorce, TWO people get divorced, that sentence might be better rephrased regarding married couples. If it were really one one in a thousand people, then you'd need two thousand to get to the two people in the divorce.

  
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Taka  #229931  Sun, 28 May 06 04:39 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Yes, but more natural would be "only one or two in a thousand" or "only one or two per thousand."



So, 'every' is optional, is it?

What about 'Out of a thousand, only one or two'? Is it also natural, without 'every' in front of 'thousand'?


 Grammar Geek wrote:

By the way, if this is a real example, since when you have a divorce, TWO people get divorced, that sentence might be better rephrased regarding married couples. If it were really one one in a thousand people, then you'd need two thousand to get to the two people in the divorce.



Well, maybe. I think it's purely a data from statistical calculation.

At least, that's what the original sentence says.
  
Grammar Geek  #229948  Sun, 28 May 06 06:36 PM

Strictly speaking, the every is still optional, but for some reason, when you invert the order, as you have done, it sounds better to have it.

I was thinking about this after I posted.  "One in a thousand" can be almost an idiom for "very, very few" but if you say "one in every thousand" is sounds more scientific. It's as though the first ("a thousand") is an estimate, but the second is an actual measurement. So for scientific writing, I'd recommend that you keep the every, but in conversation, you don't need it.

  
MrPedantic  #229997  Mon, 29 May 06 12:02 AM

"Every year" is a little ambiguous. It suggests serial divorce on that 0.1%'s part.

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Davidrock65  #230123  Mon, 29 May 06 12:26 PM
 Grammar Geek wrote:

Yes, but more natural would be "only one or two in a thousand" or "only one or two per thousand."

By the way, if this is a real example, since when you have a divorce, TWO people get divorced, that sentence might be better rephrased regarding married couples. If it were really one one in a thousand people, then you'd need two thousand to get to the two people in the divorce.

What do one one and get to mean here?

  
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Grammar Geek  #230171  Mon, 29 May 06 04:24 PM

The one one was an error. Typing too fast. I mean to say only one. Sorry.

Get to: to arrive at.  I meant that if you have a couple who divorces, that's two people. If only one in a thousand divorce, you'd need two thousand people to get a population large enough for that one couple (=two people) to balance the equation.

  
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