Evolution - are all races equally developed?

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Peaceblinkfriend  #371907  Tue, 29 May 07 06:22 AM
Are we all equal? Do we all have the same level of intelligence? Do we all have the same level of phyiscal fitness? Considering the notion of evolution, are all races developed to the same stage mentally and physically?

I understand that some people consider human beings as one 'race' while others consider people form different ethnicity as a 'race'. In this post, I take the latter definiton as 'race'.

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Mister Micawber  #371938  Tue, 29 May 07 08:06 AM

Well, I try to treat all people as if they were my equals.

  
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Peaceblinkfriend  #371975  Tue, 29 May 07 09:18 AM
I treat all people as if they were my equals too.

When I was doing a research on the evolution of human begins for my assignment, I found that some people suggest that intelligence vary from each race. Richard Lynn, a professor emeritus of the Unveristy of Ulster, said that some races generally have an higher level of IQ then others.(http://www.rlynn.co.uk/ , ) While some considered him to be racist (scientic racism), others (e.g Dr. Tatu Vanhanen) agreed that nutrition has to do with intelligence to a certain extent. Do you think the level of intelligence is determind by our genes (i.e. DNA , evolution) or the environment and nutrition ( e.g Ashkenazi Jews average 107-155, the highest level of IQ, in the US and Britain, but lower in Iseral) ?    

Nonetheless, I think we shouldn't undermine one's ability even if their race are claimed to have an lower level of intellgience than our race. 

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nona the brit  #371990  Tue, 29 May 07 10:00 AM

The problem with IQ tests is that you can't avoid some sort of bias according to the education/culture/environment/language of the test setter and the person taking the test. Using your example, if everyone set a test created in Israel, then the Israeli Ashkenazi Jews would probably score higher than the ones in the US and Britain.

I remember seeing an IQ test that required knowledge of American culture. Anyone who wasn't American would be at an immediate disadvantage. Even those that are more scientifically created still can't avoid some bias.

On the physical side, yes there are clearly some differences in size/strength. But who is to say which is superior or more developed. Each type of person has evolved to suit the environment they live in, therefore they are naturally the most developed for their area. Whether that is 'better' or 'worse' for another area is irrelvant, likewise whether they are bigger/smaller/stronger/more efficient at using resources/whatever is irrelevant in comparison with people evolved for another area. Is it 'more developed' to be a tall person who needs more food, or a short person who needs less food?

  
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Peaceblinkfriend  #372109  Tue, 29 May 07 03:32 PM
I agree with your opinion on physical differences. We all evolve to a state which suits the environment the best.

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MrPedantic  #372364  Wed, 30 May 07 12:53 AM

 Peaceblinkfriend wrote:
Are we all equal? Do we all have the same level of intelligence? Do we all have the same level of phyiscal fitness? Considering the notion of evolution, are all races developed to the same stage mentally and physically?

I find a slight contradiction in the question: the phrases "levels of intelligence", "levels of physical fitness", and "development to stage X" relate to the human evaluation of phenomena, while evolutionionary theory relates to the correspondence of those phenomena to the environment.

We don't know, for instance, whether what we think of as "high intelligence" confers any evolutionary advantage; and as Nona suggests, what we think of as "physical fitness" is not necessarily always selected for.

MrP

  
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Kooyeen  #372539  Wed, 30 May 07 01:02 PM
Hi,
I believe is is difficult to tell "how intelligent someone is". Ok, there are IQ tests. But some ask about "general knowledge" (geography or literature, for example), and that shouldn't be considered when "intelligence" is involved. And... IQ tests often have questions that force you to think in a certain way in order to answer. And those ways are very similar (often the same) for most tests. Just think of the "series of numbers: what is the following number?" or "sequence of figures: what follows?"...the reasoning is often very similar on most of those kinds of tests. So, what does it mean? That if you practice enough, trying to solve those kinds of games often, you'll find it simple to answer those questions on IQ tests then, therefore it's like you can improve your intelligence. And there are many kinds of intelligence: spatial intelligence, mathematical intelligence, pattern-recognition intelligence, etc.

Considering all that, it is difficult to tell how intelligent someone is, let alone tell how intelligent a certain ethnicity is.

I'm not sure that Einstein would have become that intelligent if he had been born in central Africa. In other words, I'm not sure you are already intelligent when you are born. I think intelligence is something that you can improve.

  
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Forbes  #372569  Wed, 30 May 07 01:39 PM

Social scientists (which includes anthroplogists and psychologists) conduct their investigations using a rigorous methodology and always come to conclusions that support what they believed before they started.

"Race" is one of those concepts that the more you look into it the more difficult it is to pin down.

"Intelligence" is also slippery. All definitions of intelligence come down to deciding what it is you are going to measure and that is before you work out how you are going to measure it.

Whilst it is clear that physical characteristics are inherited, it is by no means certain that intelligence is inherited. If it cannot be shown that intelligence is inherited then it makes little sense to talk about one race being more intelligent than another.

The best you can say is "This group of people (defined according to some predetermined criteria) show more/less intelligence (abilities that have been chosen to be measured) than this group." And when you have done that it does not follow that the degree of intelligence depends on the chosen criteria.

  
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julielai  #372858  Thu, 31 May 07 03:40 AM
 Forbes wrote:

Social scientists (which includes anthroplogists and psychologists) conduct their investigations using a rigorous methodology and always come to conclusions that support what they believed before they started.

Big Smile [:D] 

I won't go as far as that, Forbes, though bias is definitely an issue. There's also the issue of stating the obvious.

  
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