Expectations, expectation

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Skrej  #537492  Sun, 06 Jul 08 08:38 PM

Mr. Wordy
This doesn't seem quite right. The subject of this instance of "is" is "Lewis Hamilton", not "expectation".


First, I should apologize, as Mr. Wordy is exactly right.  Not sure how/why I made a boneheaded mistake confusing the subjects.  Mea culpa.  Thank you for correcting that glaring error, Mr. Wordy. 

Optilang makes a good point as to reasons for choosing singular over plural.  Without knowing the exact situation, both do work, as others have stated.

However, in my mind, I'm leaning towards the plural as more preferable (but not more correct) because I'm biased by the the phrase "causing him immense problems." 

If the problems are "immense (and multiple ones at that)", I would sort of expect him to be hammered by multiple expectations, not just a single one.  I suppose if the single expectation was very strong, it could lead to a lot of severe problems, but I still favor the plural.


New2Grammar

Avangi, I've been paying attention to why he is sometimes used without knowing the gender. Is this common? Or Do you know Anon? Smile

By the way, I agree with your interpretation of what the questioner wanted. However, I don't see why the plural is more effective. Any explanation you can offer? Thanks in advance


See my thoughts above on the plural issue.  As for the question of 'he' when the gender is unknown, it is indeed very common.  In English, if the gender isn't specifically known, it's generally assumed to be male. 

There is of course a lot of talk about this being sexist language, and some movements towards using non-gender specific pronouns, but there's of course debate over political correctness vs. tradition, blah blah blah.  You may see things like 'he/she', 'they', or even the odd 's/he' being used in an attempt to avert sexist language, but it's still the norm to just use 'he' unless it's known that the subject is feminine, at least for the time being.
  
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Avangi  #537550  Mon, 07 Jul 08 01:01 AM
Skrej
[I'm biased by the the phrase "causing him immense problems."  

In English, if the gender isn't specifically known, it's generally assumed to be male. 

talk about this being sexist language,
Hi Skrej & New2   -   Do we now have a concensus on these three issues?  (BTW, Skrej, sympathies on your "glaring error."  I know how you feel.)

On the first one, I may be missing something, but I didn't take Optilang's post as being in support of the singular "expectation."  I think "immense problems" cries out for the plural.  We must choose between (1) one expectation; (2) two or more expectations; and (3) "expectation" as uncountable.  Thus far no one's expressed much interest in number three.  I'm inclined to rule out number one on grounds that if it were a single expectation the author would surely give us a clue as to what it might be.  I get a sense that the stress is on the multiplicity and magnitude of the expectations (sheer cumulative weight) rather than their specific natures.

On the gender language business, and political correctness (if I may lump them together), I think the movements have failed miserably, and have done far more harm than good.  The backlashes injure more people than the movements help. I see no light at the end of the tunnel.  Important dialog and discussion have been completely stiffled.  I've given it an honest try. But (for example) until someone comes up with a sensible, useful alternative to "he," I'm sticking with it, and I don't much care who's offended.  I'm just weary of the futile effort.  I see no results.

Best wishes,  - A.. 
  
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New2grammar  #537551  Mon, 07 Jul 08 01:14 AM
I'm happy with your explanation. Thanks, Avangi. I've learned something new from you again. I didn't know expectation can be uncountable. I don't think I've seen it used in such a way.
  
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Avangi  #537555  Mon, 07 Jul 08 01:29 AM
Maybe my attack on PC was a bit strong.  Jack Kennedy said we should do things because they're right. (We sure do a hellovalotof things that are wrong!)  I think it's right to treat all people with respect.  I recall a line from James Thurber's Fables For Our Time:  "You might just as well fall flat on your face as to bend too far over backward."
  
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