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Arthur  , 4 yr 155 days ago

"At the time of the Spanish Armada the Dutch were ... certain of his exact title) to become King William III."

"He was Prince of Orange :-) Here's a trick question: William of Orange versus James II - who did the Pope support?"

I'm sorry, I haven't the foggiest idea ..
Arthur
Arthur    640648 Wed, 22 Jun 05 07:43 PM

"There are a number of expressions in English with the ... expressions. We - the Dutch- are nice people, aren't we..?"

"You, the Dutch, are wonderful people, and I should know; I lived in Eindhoven for five years. I believe that ... use similarly slightly derogatory terms based around the English. After all, we were known as Perfidious Albion at one time."

Eindhoven is a wonderful city, indeed!
My next question would have been: are the Dutch singled out? (I only knew the French kiss - which the French seem to call English kiss - and the French letter.. I don't know why these two...) and you gave a couple of other phrases. Thanks!
So I'm not going to ask my 'next question' - unless you or sombody else knows some more, e.g. phrases with the word 'English' in them .. Arthur
Arthur    640668 Wed, 22 Jun 05 07:45 PM

"There are a number of expressions in English with the ... expressions. We - the Dutch- are nice people, aren't we..?"

"In matters of commerce the fault of the Dutch Is giving too little and asking too much; With equal protection the French are content So we'll lay on Dutch bottoms just twenty percent."

Very funny, John.
But shouldn't this 'poem' be written in the past tense? ...

Arthur
John Briggs  , 4 yr 155 days ago

"He was Prince of Orange :-) Here's a trick question: William of Orange versus James II - who did the Pope support?"

"I'm sorry, I haven't the foggiest idea .."

Take a wild guess :-)
Here's a clue: where is Orange near?

John Briggs
Arthur    640678 Wed, 22 Jun 05 07:50 PM

"I'm sorry, I haven't the foggiest idea .."

"Take a wild guess :-) Here's a clue: where is Orange near?"

It's a city in the south of France.
But knowing that doesn't get me any further I think.. But don't give the answer yet, please.
I would like to think about it.
John Briggs  , 4 yr 155 days ago

"In matters of commerce the fault of the Dutch Is ... content So we'll lay on Dutch bottoms just twenty percent."

"Very funny, John. But shouldn't this 'poem' be written in the past tense? ..."

It was written in the past (1826, in fact.)

John Briggs
John of Aix  , 4 yr 155 days ago

"There are a number of expressions in English with the word 'Dutch''. Some of them have a neutral meaning (e.g. ... uncle'. I wonder if anyone in the newsgroup could explain why there are quite a number of these negative expressions."

A thing one notices when living in another country is that these popular names mentioning countries, focus on completely different countries. In French poople can talk like Spanish cows, slink off like the English, buy an Indian (Guinea) pig and have Uncles in America. The Dutch don't figure as far as I can see.
In English the word 'dutch' is often a corruption of 'deutsch. So it is the Germans who we are talking about really, if that helps. Double Dutch, Dutch Elm Disease, going Dutch... It's true, there are quite a lot aren't there?
"We - the Dutch- are nice people, aren't we..?"

No, you're horrible, terrible, ignominous, go away ;-)
Anonymous    640707 Wed, 22 Jun 05 08:10 PM

"There are a number of expressions in English with the word 'Dutch''. Some of them have a neutral meaning (e.g. ... explain why there are quite a number of these negative expressions. We - the Dutch- are nice people, aren't we..?"

There is a whole book(let) deveoted to the use of 'Dutch' in expressions. Unfortunately I do not have a copy and cannot remember the details as I only glanced through it once a few years ago.

Cross posted to doc.culture.netherlands in case anyone there can help.
Axel
Heinrich    640731 Wed, 22 Jun 05 08:36 PM

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"There are a number of expressions in English with the ... expressions. We - the Dutch- are nice people, aren't we..?"

"There is a whole book(let) deveoted to the use of 'Dutch' in expressions. Unfortunately I do not have a copy ... only glanced through it once a few years ago. Cross posted to doc.culture.netherlands in case anyone there can help. Axel"

However, there are some good expressions using the word "Dutch" which have become common in English.
Double Dutch: Language that cannot be understood, gibberish, as in They might have been speaking double Dutch, for all I understood. This usage dates from the 1870s.
Dutch Courage: False courage acquired by drinking liquor, as in He had a quick drink to give him Dutch courage. This idiom alludes to the reputed heavy drinking of the Dutch - as long as someone else is buying, that is.

Dutch Bargain: A bargain concluded by drinking (heavily) together

Dutch treat: A party, outing, etc. to which each person contributes.

Dutch uncle: A person giving advice with benevolent firmness.

Dutch wife: A framework of cane etc., or a bolster, used for resting the legs in bed - note, in Japan this means a sex toy.
see this link:
http://www.bootsnall.com/europetravelguides/a dam/feb02a dam.shtml

Dutch act
Suicide.
Dutch auction
An auction in which the auctioneer offers the goods at gradually decreasing prices, the first bidder to accept becoming the purchaser; to reverse the process of a normal auction.
Dutch bargain or wet bargain
A bargain settled over drinks, the Dutch being formerly reputed to be steady drinkers.
Dutch barn
A farm building with a curved roof on a frame that has no walls. Dutch clover
White clover, a valuable pasture plant.
Dutch collar
A horse collar.
Dutch Colonial
Characterised by a gambrel roof with overhanging eaves. Dutch comfort
Cold comfort, i.e. things might have been worse.
Dutch concert
A great noise and uproar, like that made by a party of drunken Dutchmen, some singing, others quarrelling, speechifying, etc. Dutch courage
The courage exerted by drink; pot valour. The Dutch were considered heavy drinkers.
Dutch cousins
Close friends, a play upon cousins german.
Dutch defence
A sham defence.
Dutch door
A door divided horizontally so that the lower or upper part can be shut separately.
Dutch elm disease
A disease of elms caused by an ascomycetous fungus (Ceratocystis ulmi) and characterised by yellowing of the foliage, defoliation, and death. Dutch generosity
Stinginess.
Dutch gleek
Tippling. Gleek is a game and the name implies that the game loved by Dutchmen is drinking.
Dutch headache
Hangover.
Dutch hoe
A scuffle hoe, a garden hoe that has both edges sharpened and can be pushed forward or drawn back.
Dutch leaf
False gold leaf.
Dutch gold, Dutch metal
"German" gold, an alloy of copper and zinc, yellow in colour, which is easily tarnished unless lacquered. Imitation gold leaf is made from it, hence the name Dutch leaf. It is also called Dutch metal. Dutch mineral
Copper beaten out into very thin leaves.
Dutch nightingales
Frogs.
Dutch oven

1. A heavy iron cooking pot with close fitting lid.
2. A tin hanging screen for cooking before a kitchen range or ordinaryfire grate.

3. A brick oven in which the walls are preheated for cooking.
4. A prank where one farts under a blanket while holding a victim there.Dutch roll
A combination of directional and lateral oscillation of an aeroplane. Dutch rub
To rub your knuckles across the top of someones head whilst holding their head under your other arm.
Dutch talent
That which is not done in true nautical and shipshape fashion, more the result of brawn than brain.
Dutch treat
A meal, amusement, etc., at which each person pays for himself (i.e. not a treat at all). To go Dutch has the same meaning.
Dutch widow
A prostitute.
Dutch wife
An open frame constructed of cane, originally used in the Dutch East Indies and other hot countries to rest the limbs in bed; also a bolster used for the same purpose. Called thus because it was round, fat and just lay there.
In at least Japan, but probably also elsewhere, a sex doll. Dutched
Cancelled.
Dutchman's breeches, or sailor's trousers
Two patches of blue appearing in a stormy sky giving the promise of better weather, i.e. enough blue sky to make a Dutchman (or sailor) a pair of breeches.
Dutchman's draught
A "big swig", a copious draught; one of the many allusions to the Dutchman's reputed fondness for heavy drinking.
Dutchman's log
A rough method for finding a ship's speed by throwing a piece of wood, etc., into the sea well forward and timing its passage between two marks on the vessel of known distance apart.
Double Dutch

1. Gibberish or jargon, as of infants or of a foreign tongue notunderstood by the hearer.

2. The jumping of two jump ropes rotating in opposite directionssimultaneously.
Flying Dutchman
A ghost ship. A sailor who sees a Flying Dutchman will die before reaching home.
To go Dutch
See Dutch treat.
His Dutch is up
His dander is riz.
I'm a Dutchman if I do
A strong refusal.
If not, I'm a Dutchman
Used to strengthen an affirmation or assertion.
In Dutch
In trouble, out of favour, under suspicion.
The Dutch have taken Holland
A quiz when anyone tells what is well known as a piece of good news. To talk like a Dutch uncle
To reprove firmly but kindly. The Dutch were noted for their discipline. Well, I'm a Dutchman!
An exclamation of strong incredulity.
Pennsylvania Dutch
Not Dutch at all, but rather Deutsch, i.e. German, descendants (both the language and the people) of German settlers in Pennsylvania Dutch disease
The deindustrialization of a nation's economy that occurs when the discovery of a natural resource raises the value of that nation's currency, making manufactured goods less competitive with other nations, increasing imports and decreasing exports. The term originated in Holland after the discovery of North Sea gas.
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