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Final T, glottal stop or not?

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Kooyeen  #341016  Mon, 19 Mar 07 08:34 PM
Hi,
I know a final T in American English is usually a glottal stop when it comes after a vowel sound. I'm not sure when it comes after some other sounds, though...

net - gl. stop, I know
cart, short - ? I think it's a gl. stop too
connect - ? I think this is not a gl. stop
bolt - ? Umm, this is in between, almost a glottal stop but not completely, it's a slight t.
coast, cost - ? Same as above
count - ? Umm, the same as above, but maybe this is even more of a glottal stop.

Ok, I'm tired of giving examples, I think you understand what's the matter. Any opinion is highly appreciated. Thanks Smile [:)]

  
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Kooyeen  #341758  Wed, 21 Mar 07 07:03 PM
Hi again,
I'm so sorry, I should have read CalifJim's post about T's a little more carefully before posting.
I see that there's also a glottal stop after R's, so the t in "smart" or "cart" is held. I see that there's a glottal stop (but sometimes it's not complete) after L and N, for example in "count" and "bolt".
But reading that post I noticed that T's after other consonants are not supposed to be held. Is there really that difference? I always tend to hold a final T, completely after a vowel, and almost completely in pairs like CT, ST, NT, LT, etc.
Actually, I tend to hold most consonants at the end of a word, and I noticed Ann Cook (author of "American Accent Training") tend to do the same. There's an exercise where she shows that words like "cot/cod" and "heart/hard" are distinguishable by the vowels rather than the last consonant.
What do you gous think? Thank you Smile [:)]

  
CalifJim  #341823  Wed, 21 Mar 07 10:59 PM
You can do just an unreleased T or an unreleased T with a glottal stop.  I don't have the statistics, but it seems to me that just the glottal stop is less common.

I don't know what you mean by held.  You use that word a lot.  Do you mean "held back", like unreleased?

I hear more of a difference between cot and cod than just the vowel, though both the T and the D are unreleased when the words are utterance final.

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Kooyeen  #342040  Thu, 22 Mar 07 12:43 PM
Hi,
thanks for the reply.
By "held" I mean "unreleased", and by "unreleased" I mean "not pronounced", that is, a glottal stop. That term ("held") is fequently used in the book who helped me improve my pronunciation.
Anyway, this is too complicated a subject to discuss in a forum. There are often many ways to pronounce the same thing, and much depends on the context in which they are pronounced (with words that follow, speaking fast or with an accent, etc.)
The problem is sometimes I start to wonder about things I'm not supposed to wonder about... I realized that the less I think of what I say, the more I sound good, and the more I think of what I say, the more I find myself stuck and wondering if I'm making any mistakes or not. I think that happens to most people here: how many times have you tried to answer a question that seems very simple at first sight, but the more you think of an answer, the more you get confused and then you are not sure of the answer any more? Smile [:)]

  
CalifJim  #343519  Mon, 26 Mar 07 04:46 AM
the less I think of what I say, the more I sound good, and the more I think of what I say, the more I find myself stuck
Ain't it the truth!  Same here.  Never ask a millipede to explain how he manages to get anywhere -- unless you want to watch him tie himself in knots.

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