Forgotten Tibet

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Dominik

#527821 Sun, 15 Jun 08 10:07 PM

Ok. Let's leave Mikolaj Kopernik alone Smile

Do you thin that only Tibetans and the West can lie? Don't you think that the sentence "a lie can become a truth by repeating telling people 1000 times!" concerns also the Chinese?

Should people believe in the history fabricated by Chinese authorities ?

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Osee

#527842 Sun, 15 Jun 08 11:46 PM

Back to you.

First I never think Tibetans lie or not. Second I think the Dalai Lama and some of the western media including CNN and BBC have been lieing about Tibet and China and we have proofs. I told you that BBC line just because that I wanted you watch your mouth when you only know something from one side.

I do not think the whole world should believe in the history stated by Chinese authorities. But I trust it myself and at the same time I keep an eve open on others. And I do not say something or do something that might be false and offensive to other countries before I think I have a full understanding about the situation and have heard enough from both sides. In some degree, I think you are pathetic, you trust a history made by some American "authorities", which are not from your country.

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ISU_152

#527953 Mon, 16 Jun 08 06:29 AM

First - Wtstern media lying too much in past and belive him is very naive .

Second - disturbation in multietnic region , where live 5 million`s men may bring the humanitary catastrophe

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Dominik

#528302 Mon, 16 Jun 08 07:46 PM

>we have proofs

Who are “we”? What proofs?

The history is not only examined by Americans but researches from many independent countries deal with it. There are some historical documents confirming Tibetans point of view. Some of them are quoted in the articles.

Why Chinese authorities don’t let foreign observers and journalists to watch the situation in Tibet. Don’t you think they do this because they don’t want the true come to light?

Dominik

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Dew 2007

#528773 Tue, 17 Jun 08 07:37 PM

Dominik
Why Chinese authorities don’t let foreign observers and journalists to watch the situation in Tibet. Don’t you think they do this because they don’t want the true come to light?

Does it really matter much whether the Western authorities (or journalists) watch the situation in Tibet?
They would still tell whatever they think correct, because they were paid to say what they were told to and not to see what is going on there.

We know a lot of examples when they have only a one-sided look at the things. (Remember Kosovo?)

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ISU_152

#529001 Wed, 18 Jun 08 08:44 AM

As example : american journalist Tomas Walker spend a week in Moskow in 1934 yar. After his return in USA he public a lot of articles about "Comunist Massaracshe in Ukraine" , but he never been in Ukraine and all facts from his letters was be only imaginary

http://www.mediafire.com/?ifzmo6kzliy

And who will belive to liar ?

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YoungCalifornian

#529286 Wed, 18 Jun 08 06:58 PM

I find it humorous that citizens of countries with a state-controlled press are so critical of Western media coverage.

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Dominik

#529288 Wed, 18 Jun 08 07:00 PM

Do you like the situation when countries deal with matters quietly without witnesses? Do you think that information from these countries prepared by their authorities will be objective? If there aren’t any other sources of information how you want to form your opinion about sb/sth?

BTW: You say a lot about the West but the West doesn’t worry too much about Tibet. The most important for it is Money and business. The West doesn’t want to put himself at risk for Tibetans. It is said but true.

Dominik

YoungCalifornian

#529341 Wed, 18 Jun 08 10:11 PM

Dominik

Do you like the situation when countries deal with matters quietly without witnesses? Do you think that information from these countries prepared by their authorities will be objective? If there aren’t any other sources of information how you want to form your opinion about sb/sth?

I'm not sure why you seem bothered by my comment, Dominik. I thought it clear that I was criticizing the lack of freedom of the press that is prevalent in many countries (China and Russia being the two relevant examples). I fully support exposing oneself to news and media from around the globe in an effort to understand varying perspectives. If you feel that I wasn't being sensitive enough to people with limited sources of news, then I apologize. Nevertheless, the point remains that a news source censored by government is almost always going to be more unreliable than one which is not, and people with enough freedom to access this forum should understand that. It's hard for me to take Chinese criticism of Western media seriously when it is a fact that their government directly censors topics ranging from Tibet to Tiananmen Square. I'm not saying that Western media isn't biased or unadultered, but any thinking person would do better to trust sources that are unafraid to present relevant news which is critical of themselves and their society.

BTW: You say a lot about the West but the West doesn’t worry too much about Tibet. The most important for it is Money and business. The West doesn’t want to put himself at risk for Tibetans. It is said but true.

Well, the obvious follow-up question would be what exactly do you want the West to do? Start a war with China? Apply more pressure to the Chinese goverment? China has long demonstrated its belief that the "internal affairs" of any one country should be of no concern to anyone else. It does not take kindly to what it preceives as foreign meddling. Just look at the response to the protests of the Olympic Torch. Ironically, that same "money and business" that you seem to vilify may be what ultimately saves China. There's no question that freedoms and the standard of living in China have greatly improved as it has adopted more and more free market policies. I hope and believe that as China becomes more prosperous its people will begin to demand a direct say in the government. Democracy in China should, in time, facilitate honest discussions about its past.

YoungCalifornian

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