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Anonymous    722467 Fri, 16 Jun 06 05:24 PM

MWSM!!
This wouldn't get past even the lamest of readers here on MWSM.

Yet, it was cherished by TIM BURTON.
And the two writers got paid a boatload of cash!
Check it out, what is this telling you?

Ripley CROSSES OUT the phrase "Champs and Chumps" and moves for the exit. His boss is ruffled.
EDITOR
Call it what?? "Kooks on Parade"?
Wait! How do I know it's factual?
RIPLEY
Because I SAID so! It's all true!
Believe it or not!!
Ripley barrels out the door.
The Editor gapes, perplexed. He stares at the cartoon... then slowly grins.
EDITOR
Ah! "It's All true"...!
He starts to write in the new headline
WIDE
Until the door suddenly SLAMS back open. Ripley rushes in, face ablaze. He triumphantly raises a finger.

RIPLEY
"BELIVE IT OR NOT"!!

Don't be so anal with your format and conventions!

It really doesn't *** matter!!
LOL!
Scott
Skipper    722468 Fri, 16 Jun 06 06:08 PM

"MWSM!! This wouldn't get past even the lamest of readers here on MWSM. Yet, it was cherished by TIM BURTON. ... IT OR NOT"!! Don't be so anal with your format and conventions! It really doesn't *** matter!! LOL! Scott"

It doesn't matter to Tim Burton, perhaps. Tim went to high school in Burbank, where I live, odd but working class, more to the big picture not the formalities. (And truly great big picture.)

Unfortunately, the format stuff matters to readers, who are often trust fund babies who don't really need the job but are playing at becoming producers. So, they latch onto what they think matters, the formalities. That's why when Syd Field's "Screenplay" first came out, even though he got a standing ovation when presenting it at the WGA, the readers drove real writers crazy because they would claim things like "your turning point isn't on page 28 like Syd says" (and then they'd refer writers who had sold more scripts to Syd to Syd's book). That's also why McKee is popular with them and they take his seminar just to "speak McKee" - it's the rule of the clique.

Oddly enough, I don't see anything at all unconventional about the script example you presented. What I DO see, however, is something similar to the other script you sent people - a tie into 19th century and turn of the 20th century stir of adventure.
A LOT of movie viewers all over the place and people here in town are getting VERY bored with the same old. If there's a sentiment going around that's like Bucket List and the Ripley script, I think we'll find a bit of a renaissance stirring, thanks to old but vivid ideas brought back to life.
Skipper    722479 Fri, 16 Jun 06 07:12 PM

"Oddly enough, I don't see anything at all unconventional about ... thanks to old but vivid ideas brought back to life."

"I would've posted more but I didn't want the MWSM Gestapo jumping my case. That's a small peek. It gets ... themed scripts getting looked at/bought right now. Great films are in the making. Or at least Hollywood is trying. Scott"

Well, Scott, I hope you're right about that renaissance. I hear a desire for it all over town, so makes sense. Hell, Spielberg's even talking about making an "art" movie, something he'd make if he wasn't famous. It's the kind of thing Frank Pierson was bemoaning not happening a couple of years ago. I thought "write something as good as Dog Day Afternoon, Frank..."
Directors traditionally don't care about format so much, though. The script for Full Metal Jacket was bizarre. The Wind & The Lion was written with description in past tense, like a novel (love that script). That might explain a bit about the Burton project.
Anonymous    722480 Fri, 16 Jun 06 07:20 PM

No white space. Lots of Caps. Underlines. Ellipses... Telling and not showing.
This wouldn't get past your typical Hollywood reader.

Yet, it made the writers money.

FADE IN:
EXT. CHINA - 14TH CENTURY - DAY
A pastoral mountain clearing, many years ago. All is quiet. The hills are green, obscured by a heavy mist hanging in the air. There's a sense of mystery...
Then a crunching of bamboo. The trees shimmer... unveiling a secret, hidden community. The mist swirls, and FIGURES emerge. CHINESE PEASANTS, gently huddled and gathering crops.
They are peaceful, families working together. A father turns to his child... and we're surprised to see a HORN on the back of his head. The girl looks up and she too has a horn! ALL(underlined and caps) THE VILLAGERS HAVE HORNS! They're some kind of mythical, half-human creatures.
Okay, I can't take it anymore. My headache is coming back.

It's a horrible script to read but a great blueprint for a possibly great movie.
So, is it a bad script? Or a good script?
See what I'm saying?
Scott
Smoke Bassett    722494 Fri, 16 Jun 06 10:25 PM

"MWSM!! This wouldn't get past even the lamest of readers here on MWSM. Yet, it was cherished by TIM BURTON. ... suddenly SLAMS back open. Ripley rushes in, face ablaze. He triumphantly raises a finger. RIPLEY "BELIVE IT OR NOT"!!"

The writers are conveying how the movie unfolds. Unfortunately, if Ripley's face is "ablaze," he is more likely to say something like "Throw some water on me!!!'
But then, in a universe where doors SLAM open...
Mysti    722679 Sun, 18 Jun 06 01:29 AM

"It doesn't matter to Tim Burton, perhaps. Tim went to high school in Burbank, where I live, odd but working ... to readers, who are often trust fund babies who don't really need the job but are playing at becoming producers."

I was a reader for the Sundance contest, strictly working-middle class upbringing (Dad picked cotton and stole watermelons in his youth, etc.). The readers I knew in L.A. none were trust fund babies.

But the real point is that any affectation in a script, whether it be exuberant use of caps, underlines, exclamation points or screen direction matter ONLY IF these things are covering up flaws in the writing screen direction because you can't tell what's going on, wrylies or excess exclamation points because the feelings of the characters aren't clear from context, etc.
And if a character is always cranked up to ten, it's likely his dialog will have a lot of !!.
One of my favorite scripts from the sundance reading era was something written nearly entirely in italics, narrative form with play style dialog. Because the characters were intriguing and the situation rich with conflict. It was a pain to read, but the main characters are still with me...
"o, they latch onto what they think matters, the formalities."

I've read a few dozen coverage documents lifted from a handful of studios, and you know what, format is never mentioned except in passing (i.e. so weird page count wasn't to be trusted). My two friends who were readers say the same thing whack format is a leading indicator of crap writing, but not alone something to judge a script on.
Maybe you could post specifics that you've seen that lead you to this conclusion, esp. about trust fund babies? The trust-funders I knew (one) went straight into producing, skipped the grunt stages entirely.

Mysti
Jacques E. Bouchard    722695 Sun, 18 Jun 06 01:42 AM

"I was a reader for the Sundance contest, strictly working-middle class upbringing (Dad picked cotton and stole watermelons in his youth, etc.). The readers I knew in L.A. none were trust fund babies."

You could afford cotton and watermelons? We slept in old newspapers and could only manage to steal watermelon rinds, etc...
jaybee
Mysti    722747 Sun, 18 Jun 06 02:29 AM

"I was a reader for the Sundance contest, strictly working-middle ... The readers I knew in L.A. none were trust fund babies."

"You could afford cotton and watermelons? We slept in old newspapers and could only manage to steal watermelon rinds, etc... ... a degree in EE can make to a man (as does the woman who supported him while he got it)."

Mysti
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