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Ruslana
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Mon, 01 Sep 08 07:08 PM
Neversaynever“ Let me tell you that, ALL media is controlled, yours is too. It's like that everywhere.”
REALLY?  Dear God, this is soooo crappy then!!  To be serious, do you really think we are not aware of propaganda taking place in our media? You seem to underestimate Russians. In fact, I find it quite amusing to compare what Russian (Russia Today, some basic TV of ours such as ORT, RTR, NTV) and West (CNN, BBC, FoxNews, SkyNews, The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Times, etc) mass media present to us. Sometimes, it's oppositely different indeed. But sometimes points of view... guess what. Sometimes points of view are completely the same! I read some articles in The Guardian and The Times recently, and they treated the Russia-Georgia conflict in a very similar way to our media. Does it mean that Russian propaganda penetrated to foreign media? Oh... Russia is really omnipresent then and you've got to be very careful & attentive to recognize West propaganda from Russian propaganda in your media.  ISU, a nice anecdote!
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Neversaynever
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Mon, 01 Sep 08 10:21 PM
lol Ruslana.. I have read everything you have written in threads about Russia and you seem like you are way too affected by Russian media - just the impression I got. You seem like a nationalist (well, it's understandable) and dedicated to make us see that Russia is right (understandable again) usually by being sarcastic  . In fact, I think Russia was right according to what I read overall (but things are going childishly now). Did this mean my mind was selective for Russian propaganda?  If the point of views are same in two different media organs then this just makes things more reliable than before. The truth is truth, if it's subjective then there is no truth.
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Neversaynever
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Mon, 01 Sep 08 10:36 PM
To ISU_152: Well.....everyone is getting their news from many sources. Blog sites, comments on the internet.. of course they are not controlled. I mean the government media organs and other media connected to the state. What do you think people trust most? A livejournal I write or BBC? About the anectode... I didn't know in Russia you can say whatever you want when it is true even if it is bad and harmful! But I still won't try it if I go to Russia! What about not statements like 'blah blah is dumb' but 'I wish..' or I mean, such harmful thoughts this time, not statements. Would they be tolerated? Is there a complete 'freedom' as you define? Can I put my dangerous thoughts into practice if I have followers behind me? Hah.. I don't even want to know what would happen to me.
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Ruslana
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Tue, 02 Sep 08 08:22 AM
Neversaynever, I am glad that we understand each other. I don't know what number of my posts you read (did you really have that much patience to read ALL political posts of mine?  ), but what I want to make clear is that I don't care what I seem, and I simply don't like it when other countries try to "wipe their feet" against Russia. I think it's a mere feeling of national pride, and I bet every human has it, no matter what country he lives in. You could be as much zealous about Turkey (if it is your native land), and it's normal. I don't claim Russia is always right, but if you wish to think I'm terribly affected by Russian mass media - feel free to do so. (After all, it's up to me to deal with my problems, lol.) By the way, sarcasm is a historically-preleveant way of Russians to blame their government or to hold talks about politics.  And you're right - your mind has been selective for Russian propaganda and affected by that!!
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Cool Breeze
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Tue, 02 Sep 08 09:17 AM
" Freedom of speech murdered again in RussiaThis time they didn't even try to make it look an accident. ... What was Jevlojev's crime? He founded an independent web newspaper, which provided local news that wasn't available elsewhere. There are two nationwide newspapers and one television channel in Ingusia and they are completely controlled by the Russian establishment. That's why Jevojev's web paper was very popular. More than 40 percent of the people of Ingusia used to read Jevlojev's paper. I interviewed him in June in Suomenlinna [Helsinki, Finland], where he gave a talk at the Finrosforum seminar on the freedom of speech. He said that the web newspaper was available throughout Ingusia in a printed version as well because the people had an insatiable desire to have access to unbiassed information about local events. To his mind, the situation in Ingusia was getting worse day by day. Ordinary citizens were arrested and killed without trials. Jevlojev, an educated lawyer, also said that he had no political dissident background. He said he believed a free press decreased pressures to resort to terrorism. "Censorship drives the young into the mountains." ... Jevlojev's newspaper has been sabotaged and it was even shut down but reopened soon on another server. Explosions have occurred at the doors of the newspaper's reporters' homes, and that is why Rosa Malsagova, one of the reporters, has sought political asylum in France. Jevlojev knew his life was in danger, yet he talked about his problems perfectly calmly. According to the International Press Institute (IPI), 77 journalists have been killed in Russia after 1992." (Helsingin Sanomat, 2 September 2008)
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Ruslana
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Tue, 02 Sep 08 09:36 AM
You seem to have anti-Russian propaganda out there, CB.  Anyway, it's very sad that 77 journalists have been killed during about 16 years.
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Wed, 03 Sep 08 04:52 PM
Aren’t we tired of this subject yet? We can keep beating this dead horse till the cows come home but probably may never reach a conclusion. Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely with no interference or censorship from any one or agency, granted the spoken content does not inflict any harm or pain to anyone. But we all know this is a dream definition, whether in Russia or The US. In The US, the freedom of speech has been partially removed by political groups such as ACLU, that being on the top of the list, along with other liberal organizations. Immigrants from Middle Eastern countries can stage protests and rallies while shouting “death to the US” and burn American flags but if anyone speaking out in English, making retaliatory comments to the protestors, they may be called a racist or a bigot which may be subject to legal challenges. In Russia, being a former (may still be) Communist country, I seriously doubt if the people of Russia can really enjoy “freedom of speech”, no matter who says so. Personally, I think one place which I can truly say anyone can say what is on his mind is Hong Kong, where the meaning of “melting pot” truly exists. The bottom line is, we can’t abuse freedom of speech, freedom of press, and freedom in general as a whole. Freedom does not come free; it’s paid for by the many who had died fighting for it so that we can enjoy today. But many abuse this privilege. US has been a country generous to the many who wanted a life in America and grants everyone the right to enjoy the freedom. But that does not mean freedom to disturb the peace and freedom to rip off from the tax payers. The way I see it, The US is under attack by the illegal aliens who abuse the freedom and those who would like nothing better than to see the collapse of US as a country. What proof? Can you say 911?
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Cool Breeze
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Thu, 04 Sep 08 08:56 AM
Ruslana“Hey CB, You sound as if somewhere in the world the situation was COMPLETELY different.  ” "Muslim reporter shot in Dagestan Armed men killed a television reporter in the Republic of Dagestan, Russia, the police said Wednesday. Unidentified men shot Abulla Alishajev on Tuesday evening when he was driving through the capital of Dagestan. He died of his wounds on Wednesday. --- He had made a documentary which criticized Wahhabism, a radical form of Islam." - Reuters, Helsingin Sanomat, 4 September 2008
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Sat, 06 Sep 08 08:45 AM
What are you driving at? That it was a murder approved by the authorities? There are a lot of such cases in any country. But in most of them it is called terrorism and only referred to Russia you call it as an example of the lack of freedom of speech.
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