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ISU_152  +  609881 Thu, 11 Dec 08 11:43 AM
Interesting document, thanks, Cool ))).
First  - similar grup's  exist in Russia - "Liberal Charter" and "Charter 97" in Belarus republic. nobody of member of this groups still not prisoned, and them can take part in elections (without  results , but it only they problem)
 
Second - Previos attempt of democratisation cost at least 50 million of lives for China and at least 8 million ( nobody exactly know how much ) for Russia . May be China goverment know what he do ? 
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Cool Breeze  +  678279 Sun, 22 Feb 09 09:37 AM

Cool Breeze

You can read Amnesty International's opinion about the death of Anna Politkovskaya and other human rights activists here. The gist of it is:

"One year ago, on 7 October, she was murdered outside her flat in Moscow.

This was almost certainly because of her work as a journalist, in which she exposed human rights violations throughout Russia. Amnesty International believes that the handling of the criminal investigation into her death to date shows that there is little political will to bring those who ordered the killing to justice."

Here is another Amnesty report about decreasing press freedom in Russia.

61 journalists have been killed in Russia since 1 January 2000 but no one has been convicted of murder. For as long as Russia appeared to head towards a better future with high oil prices and improving living conditions for many, people didn't mind Putin crushing political opposition and strangling the free media. Russia's economy relies largely on rather raw industries like producing such metals as steel, whose price has fallen by half since the summer of 2008. With other economic areas faring equally poorly, social unrest is possible. People are protesting corruption, job losses and unpaid wages.

What little freedom of speech there was in the early 90s has vanished. Fear is replacing hope in Russia. The Duma (= Russian Parliament) has added several new articles to the criminal code. One of these makes participating in mass disorders a "crime against the state." People charged with the new "crimes" are tried by a special court of only three judges  -  a system that is reminiscent of Stalin's courts, which sentenced millions to death. This returns the Russian justice system to the 1920s.

CB

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Cool Breeze  +  688038 Wed, 18 Mar 09 09:48 AM

Russia is returning to the Soviet days and ways of distorting history. In new schoolbooks dealing with the period between World War I and World War II, students are not openly told that the Soviet Union occupied the Baltic States and that the Carelian Isthmus used to belong to Finland. A new law has been proposed in the Russian Parliament. According to it, historians in neighbouring countries who "distort" and "rewrite" what happened during World War II should be likened to those suspected of terrorism and thus should be permanently denied entry to Russia.Smile

Russian historian Alexandr Djukov said last year that he would like to kill a young Latvian documentarist named Edvins Snore with his own hands. Snore's film Soviet Story, which criticises the Soviet Union, will be shown in Helsinki next week.

In a history book entitled Istorija Rossii II (2009) the reader is led to believe that the Baltic States and a part of Finland belonged to the Soviet Union between the two world wars. For example, on a map depicting the development of Soviet culture from the year 1917 till 1939, Ladogan Carelia, Vyborg and the entire Carelian Isthmus are coloured pink, just like the Soviet Union!Big Smile

What happened to the Baltic States in 1940 is not explained. There is no mention of the Russian troops marching into Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. The book gives the impression that after elections the new parliaments of the Baltic States voluntarily wanted to join the Soviet Union!Big Smile

With the frequent assassinations of journalists and officially approved deliberate distortion of recent history, the average Russian is unlikely to get a balanced view of the Soviet Union's atrocities in neighbouring countries.

CB

Ruslana  +  688077 Wed, 18 Mar 09 12:05 PM
Hey CB,

Please don't tell me Russia's the ONLY country in the world that distorts history. Smile So what makes her be so special to accuse of that? Your personal bad attitude to her? Stick out tongue

And I just can't get it why you think that media from which you get info is anyhow closer to the truth that any other media. They are all blah-blah-blah trying to clash people with each other, and the government of every country pursuies its own goal (including Finland). People like you and me are just pawns.

P.S. Have you subscribed to all news establishing the guilt of Russia? Big Smile
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Cool Breeze  +  688142 Wed, 18 Mar 09 02:44 PM

Ruslana
“Please don't tell me Russia's the ONLY country in the world that distorts history”

I never said Russia was the only country that does that.

Ruslana
“So what makes her be so special to accuse of that? Your personal bad attitude to her? Stick out tongue

Russia is mentioned in the title of this thread, so it's very logical to write about the freedom of the press there. Russia's war crimes are close to my heart because Russia/the Soviet Union is the only country that has attacked Finland in the past 1,000 years. If it hadn't done so, I would be living in what is Russia now. My parents, who lived in Carelia, had to flee Carelia or be killed by the Soviets in the 1940s. You can't seriously expect me to love a country that has fortunately unsuccessfully tried to invade and occupy Finland and won't admit that even after more than half a century has elapsed.

Nikita Khrushev actually admitted that the Soviet Union had no moral right to start a war against Finland in 1939 but those who write Russian history today have forgotten that.

CB

Ruslana  +  688204 Wed, 18 Mar 09 04:44 PM
I'm very sorry for your family, CB. But I hope sad memory of those events won't completely shadow perception of good affairs happening along with bad ones in Russia.

It's a naive dream but I wish the world history had never gone through such black pages as repressions, Nazism, invasions, wars, 9/11, etc...
ISU_152  +  688480 Thu, 19 Mar 09 08:51 AM

Cool Breeze


 Soviet Union is the only country that has attacked Finland in the past 1,000 years.

First -  You`re not right . British fleet bombarded Bomarsund and Sveaborg in 1855 .

Second - British troops invade russia in 1918 year and made massacre in nord Russia . Finnish troops under Mannergem command invade Russia in 1918 , 1921 and 1941 year and , in last even made massacre in Petrozavodsk sity . Polish invade Russia in 1921 year , and made massacre in Ucraine too . Czech legion in Russia made massacre in Taiga railroad station  in Siberia in 1920 . German - all know .
Bu your logic i must hate almost all nation in the world ,  because almost all nation during last 1000 trying invade Russia
Three :
Cool Breeze

Russian historian Alexandr Djukov said last year that he would like to kill a young Latvian documentarist named Edvins Snore with his own hands. Snore's film Soviet Story, which criticises the Soviet Union, will be shown in Helsinki next week.

I can understand his reaction . Look  hier:
http://historyfoundation.ru/dl.php?url=/upload/57555abbf0a1c5636fc1350fd9c9b340.pdf&nn=

Cool Breeze  +  688534 Thu, 19 Mar 09 01:02 PM

ISU_152
“ You`re not right . British fleet bombarded Bomarsund and Sveaborg in 1855 ”

Indeed! I had forgotten all about that because it was all a minor episode of the Crimean War and the British never invaded Finland or made us pay them anything for our "war crimes" the way the Soviets did.

ISU_152
“British troops invade russia in 1918 year and made massacre in nord Russia .”

I am not responsible for what the British have done.

ISU_152
“Finnish troops under Mannergem command invade Russia in 1918 , 1921 and 1941 year ”

We had a civil war in 1918 with Russia involved to some extent and backing the so-called Reds. The role of the Russians fighting in Finland was rather limited. They mostly engaged in action in Carelia. I don't know who Mannergem is. The commander-in-chief of the Finnish armed forces was Mannerheim. He or Finland didn't attack the Soviet Union in 1918 or 1921. That's utter rubbish. Finland did attack the Soviet Union in 1941 trying to regain territory that Finland had had to cede to the Soviet Union about a year earlier after Stalin had attacked Finland in late 1939.

ISU_152
“Bu your logic i must hate almost all nation in the world ,  because almost all nation during last 1000 trying invade Russia

I have no idea what you mean by "my logic." I have never said I hate any nation.

CB

ISU_152  +  688613 Thu, 19 Mar 09 03:41 PM
Cool Breeze

and the British never invaded Finland
- because russians do not gave  him chance
Cool Breeze
“I don't know who Mannergem is. The commander-in-chief of the Finnish armed forces was Mannerheim.”

Excuse me  for a typing error.
Cool Breeze

He or Finland didn't attack the Soviet Union in 1918 or 1921. That's utter rubbish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunus_expedition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viena_expedition  - first Soviet–Finnish war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Karelian_Uprising - second
Cool Breeze

I have no idea what you mean by "my logic." I have never said I hate any nation.
All nations in the world have many causes  to be proud and some cause for shame. Russia is not best and not worst. You cannot find something extraordinary in Russian history except a many imagination of anti-soviet propagandists.
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