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Anonymous  #545657  Thu, 24 Jul 08 02:23 AM
Say:
     Fresh fruit is what makes this dessert special.

Enough said.


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Yoong Liat  #545758  Thu, 24 Jul 08 06:52 AM

fruit is singular: Fruit is good for you; The tree bears fruit (not fruits).

The plural fruits is used in talking about different types of fruit: oranges, mangoes and other fruits.

(Times-Chambers Junior Dictionary)

  
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Goodman  #545938  Thu, 24 Jul 08 04:18 PM
<<<>>>I would agree that "makes" should stay singular to correspond to "what," even if the subject of the sentence is plural. 

If who, what, how, or where, is a singular reference even the nouns or pronouns

preceding are plural, then how would you call sentence B

 

A- John is the one who is in charge of the food for the party- Correct.

 

B - John and Mary are the only officers who make decisions around here.

(Is it “makes” or “make”?)

  
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Cool Breeze  #545942  Thu, 24 Jul 08 04:39 PM
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B - John and Mary are the only officers who make decisions around here.

(Is it “makes” or “make”?)

 

Goodman, you are changing the pronoun. In your sentence of course make. However, what as a relative pronoun is always singular:

What interests me are his achievements. = His achievements are what interests me.

This was taught to me in high school when I was 14.Smile I've got the impression that my teacher was right.

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Yoong Liat  #545956  Thu, 24 Jul 08 05:36 PM

I believe 'what' is the same in usage as 'who' in the sense that the verb which immediately follows it is singular.

  
Goodman  #545971  Thu, 24 Jul 08 06:16 PM
<<< Goodman, you are changing the pronoun. In your sentence of course make. However, what as a relative pronoun is always singular:>>> 
 And so is who! s what is the difference?

No I am not changing anything. I just want to prove a point. The approach to treat  "what" as sigular even when the preceding pronouns are plural in my opinion is incorrect.  Therefore the verb has to agree with the singuarity or plurality of the noun. I maybe wrong.
As for the sentence, I deliberately made John and Mary as a compound pronoun which should require the verb to agree with the plural form.
B - John and Mary are the only officers who make decisions around here.

(Is it “makes” or “make”?)

  
Cool Breeze  #545975  Thu, 24 Jul 08 06:30 PM
Goodman

The approach to treat  "what" as sigular even when the preceding pronouns are plural in my opinion is incorrect. 


 

I see. I get your point. Grammarians treat what as a relative pronoun that has no antecedent, singular or plural. It is inclusive of the antecedent and can usually be replaced with that which, in which collocation that is the antecedent. That which is not very common and therefore may sound odd to some natives' ears but it is correct English.

I didn't believe what / that which he told me.

So, we can agree that we disagree. SmileYou consider what as plural or singular depending on the preceding word/words, and I and grammarians always consider it singular because it has no antecedent.

CB

  
Goodman  #545976  Thu, 24 Jul 08 06:40 PM



CB,
I don't quite follow you. If you agree to disagree (which is fine) how come you agreed with my sentence to which you said I changed my wording. 

As written: John and Mary are the only officers who make decisions around here. And I asked if the answer should be [makes] or [make].
And you said "In your sentence of course make"

By the nature of your comment, didn't you just agree with my view?
  
Cool Breeze  #545990  Thu, 24 Jul 08 08:01 PM
Goodman




As written: John and Mary are the only officers who make decisions around here. And I asked if the answer should be [makes] or [make].
And you said "In your sentence of course make"

By the nature of your comment, didn't you just agree with my view?

 

 Yes, as far as who is concerned. What is something else. It never has an antecedent as a relative pronoun, neither singular nor plural, nothing, and that's why a singular verb is used with it. This is obvious from the singular that, which occurs in that which, which is sometimes used to replace what. 

You can of course check the grammatical behavior of relative what in any good grammar book if you don't believe me. I find it very strange that you haven't already done that. It would have saved you a lot of time wasted writing opinions instead of facts.

CB

  
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