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Pter  #513062  Tue, 13 May 08 09:19 AM
How do you say full house, as in poker.  Ful-louse? Or full house?

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Mister Micawber  #513122  Tue, 13 May 08 01:42 PM
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Kooyeen  #513284  Tue, 13 May 08 10:09 PM
I don't think you can ever drop the H in nouns, unless you want to speak Cockney or something, lol. Stick out tongue
It is dropped in connected speech in particles like "His", "He", "Him", "her" though.
  
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Pter  #513377  Wed, 14 May 08 03:20 AM
Thanks, Mr M and Kooyeen.  Now I know the h cannot be dropped in this phrase.

I asked this because the H is occassionally dropped in some words when it is preceded by an R, e.g. after-hours and perhaps, so I wondered if it ever happens in any set phrases.

  
Mister Micawber  #513387  Wed, 14 May 08 03:59 AM
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The H of hours is always silent.  Perhaps is of course one word, and the second syllable is stressed;  those who drop the H probably do so from contraction.  I don't think preceding Rs are relevant.  Look for dropped or weakened Hs in unstressed syllables:  inhibition, rehabilitation, etc.
  
Pter  #513453  Wed, 14 May 08 09:11 AM
Thanks a lot, Mr. M.  How could I forget that the H in hours is always silent !?

Now I understand that since the house in full house is stressed, the H cannot be dropped.  The stress is what has been bothering me, because I didn't know if I should stress the house.  You gave me the answer I need even without me asking!  Thanks!

  
Kooyeen  #513719  Wed, 14 May 08 09:15 PM

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Now I understand that since the house in full house is stressed, the H cannot be dropped.

I don't think it's a matter of stress. I don't think you would drop the H in "house", even if it's totally unstressed. Or pronounce the H in "hours".
The stress and connected speech affect certain particles like "he", "him", etc. though.
  
Pter  #513806  Thu, 15 May 08 03:41 AM
Thank you very much, Kooyeen. Mr M said, "Look for dropped or weakened Hs in unstressed syllables:  inhibition, rehabilitation, etc."  My understanding of this sentence is that the H is never dropped when the syllable is stressed and it may or may not be dropped or reduced in the unstressed syllables of some words.  In such words, the H is still there in careful speech but tends to be dropped in rapid speech.  Do you think this is more accurate?

Other words with an H that may be reduced/dopped that I can find: prehistoric, prohibition (but not prohibitive because hi is stressed).

My dictionary also says the H may or may not be dropped in falsehood and leasehold in British English.

I suppose annihilate, Cohen, etc should be put into a different category like vehicle because the H is always silent.  But such silent H all occur at unstressed syllable, right?  Hour is an odd man out.  So, I guess, the stress pattern does have something to do with the possibility of whether the H is dropped (or silent), do you think so?

I know the weak forms of "he", "him", "his", "her", "them" in rapid speech.  Just double checked my dictionary. Every single word ending with "-house" has the H pronounced.  So, I assume the H's in such -house words aren't reduced even in rapid speech, are they?

  
CalifJim  #514266  Fri, 16 May 08 02:29 AM
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Hour is an odd man out.
hour is not the only one in the category of initial silent h.

hour, honor, honest, heir, herb (American English) and their derivatives (hourly, honesty, heiress, herbal, etc.) all have this same characteristic. 

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I suppose annihilate, Cohen, etc should be put into a different category like vehicle because the H is always silent.  But such silent H all occur at unstressed syllable, right? 
Right.

Pter
I assume the H's in such -house words aren't reduced even in rapid speech, are they?
I assume the same.  At least I can't think of a counterexample.

CJ 

  
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