I need your comment on "future tense"

Roro, I think the context is more important when you're analyzing a sentence. It also depends on the speaker's mind. 'Be going to' is what I called 'schizovirus'.  One would be at the edge of entering an ER if thinking too much. Good luck! 

Davkett, could you help?

A: Can you give Ed a message for me? B: Sure. I (see, probably) ____ him at the meeting this evening.

'I'll probably see him this evening' sounds just fine. 'Will' in this sentence indicates a certain prediction.

Does 'I'm probably going to see him this evening' possible?

Hello Roro

The question you raised is interesting. But I rather don't agree with you. You know there are two sorts of future: 'desired future' and 'predicted future'. A desired future cannot go with an uncontrollable verb, but a predicted future can do. This is true for both the constructs of <will do> and <is going to do>. When you use an uncontrollable verb in the construct of <is going to do>, we will take it as a predicted future.

Suppose an eye doctor says to me "You are going to be able to see in a week". I don't think this is odd. When I hear this, I might get more confident about the recovery of my sight than hearing "You will be able to see sometime in future".

paco

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The question you raised is interesting. But I rather don't agree with you. You know there are two sorts of future: 'desired future' and 'predicted future'. A desired future cannot go with an uncontrollable verb, but a predicted future can do. This is true for both the constructs of and . When you use an uncontrollable verb in the construct of , we will take it as a predicted future.
Suppose an eye doctor says to me "You are going to be able to see in a week". I don't think this is odd. When I hear this, I might get more confident about the recovery of my sight than hearing "You will be able to see sometime in future".
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Dear paco. Thank you for your kind comment. Just a word... before writing this I returned the original question. So, I had in mind rather restricted usage of some verbs. You know, I won't insist, never, that these combinations are themselves bad.

In your example, the verb 'see' is used, so to speak, in a sense of 'the state of physical ability,' (not so much as 'spot something, the church, for example').

# It's pitch dark, I don't see anything. If the clouds clear up, you are going to see the stars.

I won't say it's wrong. I just want to say that this 'see' is used not in the sense 'spot,' 'catch sight of,' 'recognize.'

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[quote from paco] When you use an uncontrollable verb in the construct of , we will take it as a predicted future.
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It's worth pondering ('predicted'.... there's no uncontrollable change of state)(I know, sometimes I'm so obstinate, stuborn, mulish.... I know, I know), but how to define your terms?
Seems I'm really exausted by the summer heat. Thanks a lot for out talks, paco!　

（By the way you know this pictorial symbol already?

⎝谷⎠ (Oh my God... This situation is desperate...) ha-ha...

Bye 　{*ᴥ*}⎠

Hello Roro

Thank you for the reply. But frankly speaking, I'm afraid I didn't get the points of your argument.

As to "see", you are right that I used it in the sense of 'have a power to perceive with eyes. I thought you also used "see" in the same sense in your sentence "We are going to be able to see". The verb "see" has many senses. But when it is used as an intransitive verb, it usually means "have a power to perceive with eyes" or "understand (perceive in one's mind)". I don't know what you meant exactly by the term "uncontrollable verb". I take it as something like "non-voluntary verbs" that describe an activity that the subject doesn't need to exert special efforts to do it. Am I right? If I am right, "see" in the sentence "Turn left at the corner and then you can see the church" is also an uncontrollable verb. Please recall that "X sees Y" in English is "Y comes to X's perception (either through eyes or mind). So I'm puzzled at your argument that your "see" and my "see" are different things.

As to the definitions of "desired future" and "predicted future", I admit they are my idiolectic terms. Future events are different from past or present events in that they can never be factual at the time when a speaker utters about them. Any future event is either an event the speaker desires to take place in future or an event the speaker predicts to take place in future. I give to the former the term "desired future" and to the latter "predicted future". Get them?

Yes, this summer it's really hot in Japan, particularly here in Tokyo. I have long doubted about the global warming theory but now I have to admit it is factual.

By the way I have one thing to tell you. I suppose you sometimes use Japanese fonts. But Japanese fonts look as you intended to write only when you are using UTF-8, Shift-JIS, or ECU-JP. But here people come from various countries and it is very probable some people are using any decoding system other than UTF-8. To them what you wrote with Japanese fonts must look completely gibberish. Please remind it.

paco