Georgia - a peaceloving genocide

1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 15
   Share on Facebook  
Ant_222  #553407  Mon, 11 Aug 08 01:46 AM
Allright, but didn't Georgia violate the Law by ignoring the agreements where it had said it would not attack and invade South Ossetia? The agreements that forbid the very presence of the Georgian Army in the conflict zone. If not Russia, who is gonna stop it? I think it's clear that by the time UN would have come up with some resolution (if it ever would), the Gergian army would have gained control over the whole South Ossetia, and whatever would happen then, Russia would never be allowed to restore the initial status of South Ossetia. And what would they have done with the Ossetians can be also predicted by simply extrapolating what they have had time to do so far – literally destroyed a major city and several villages. What is the purpose of that?

Lawyee
Do you think that when Slovak soldiers fighting in UN mission in Afghanistan were attacked by guerrilas, Slovakia should have sent Slovak army to kill those "bad terrorists"? It wasn't our right to intervene, nor it is now Russian's right.

Very nice comparison. Instead of engaging only soldiers, and attacking their posts, they mixed with earth a whole city with the civilians in it, not letting them out. Georgians snipers have been reported to not let emergency cars pick up the wounded, and Georgian artillery to bombard hospitals on purpose. Unlike the guerillas, the Georgian army is well-trained (by the USA consultants?) and equipped with powerful weapons, it has (and has used) tanks and heavy artillery.

  
Top 75 Contributor
Joined on Sun, May 21 2006
Podolsk, Russia
Contributing Member (1,569)
Dominik  #553464  Mon, 11 Aug 08 07:19 AM
>YES, there is really a need to REMEMBER about that because too many people died during those wars; because we do not want any repeat of such wars; because those "journeys" belong to history that should have taught us something; because if we do not remember history, its mistakes will be repeated until we learn the lessons of history. History punishes those who forget it, badly punishes!

I agree with you  that we should remember the history. It is a pity that the history is sometimes  completely differently understanded and shown in many countries.
 
Rassia wants to hold Georgia, Ossetia in its area of influence and showing Gorgia as a destabilized country suits Rassian government. The information from both sides are contradictory so I wouldn't blindly listen only one side.

  
Top 150 Contributor
Joined on Thu, Jun 1 2006
Poland
Regular Member (570)
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible." - St. Francis of...
Dew 2007  #553486  Mon, 11 Aug 08 10:01 AM
Yes, we should listen to the heart. If you hate Russia, it's Ok with you to see it as an agressor. I'd rather listen to the silent cries of more than 2000 killed people.

None of your  close friends are involved. You were also watching silently when Yougoslavia was bombed...
Let you be quiet now. You are far away. It doesn't touch you and your families.
But it did touch mine.
God bless you in your silence.
  
Top 75 Contributor
Joined on Sun, Jun 17 2007
Russia
Contributing Member (1,349)
Keep wondering!
Ruslana  #553487  Mon, 11 Aug 08 10:03 AM
Lawyee, the law system you're talking about and you're defending was created by the US and EU mostly, which means: 1) it was created by and for double-standards; 2) the US and EU use this system for interests of their own usually, neglecting the common to all mankind law that directly says: "Don't kill!".

In other words, if you or your friends are being shot by guys with a sub-machine gun, please try to explain them that, according to the law, they have no legal right to do so (or call to the UN to protect you). 

The modern law and political systems are OBSOLETE because they don't solve current problems effectively at all.

Lawyee

Furthermore, if you say that there are many (maybe majority of) Russian citizens in the region, they have no right to decide about the form of the state, because they are not citizens of that state and do not have right of sovereignty which was conferred to Georgian state. In other words, they are foreigners on the territory of Georgia and have no political rights there (they have them in Russia)

Please read history of the region before making such nonsense conclusions.

As to Russia being not much better than America. Russia (as well as Europe, I hope?) seems sick and tired of the political games and "brain-washing" created by the US government, and if America doesn't understand other ways of dealing except those she uses, then, apparently, no one would have other choice than to deal with America using her own methods.

Do CNN, BCC, SkyNews say anything about the fact that before the Georgian assault, the USA and Georgia had been co-operating very closely in the military field? A month before the attack they had a joint military training. A lot of military machines Georgia used for ossetinian genocide were given to Georgia by the USA a while ago. What right did Saakashvili have to place a EU flag behind him during the interviews to western mass media?
Do those mass media show any interviews with osetinian refugees and inhabitants who were in the very hot spot? Have they presented any cultural and political story of the region? Have they mentioned that there were dark-skinned American mercenaries attacking ossetinians?
Has the United Nations Security Council made any decision on the problem? The latter, having been summoned for 4 times so far, revealed itself incapable. They just can't accept that the US ally, Georgia, was engaged in genocide. (Georgia stupid actions played a biiiiiiiiig dirty trick on them.)
The US and EU have simply reached a deadlock at how to save their faces. They got into a snare they have been settling themselves.
  
Top 50 Contributor
Joined on Sat, Dec 17 2005
Russia
Senior Member (3,197)
Moderator
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace", - Jimi Hendrix
Ruslana  #553488  Mon, 11 Aug 08 10:16 AM
Sorry if I'm emotional. But the obvious misinformation of the western mass media, their obvious plot when, during the whole day they kept silence about Georgia's assault on Tskhinvali and started informing only when Russia entered tanks (and 2000 osetinian women and children had already been killed by Saakashvili's order), presenting Russia as a terrible agressor, the plot of the USA and Georgia, those magny political games of the UN ... that all is just ... out of anything imaginable and understandable.
  
Ruslana  #553518  Mon, 11 Aug 08 12:59 PM
A history introduction.

What is now happening in South Ossetia has already been called genocide repeatedly, and according to international standards, genocide has no statute of limitation. Genocide means extermination of some ethnic groups by racial, national or religious motives. The history of Georgia – South Ossetia conflict hasn’t been lasting for a single year, and this chronicle has lots of bloody pages.

Within 20th century, Georgian regularly troops destroyed South Ossetia villages twice. That’s amazing, but every time the thirst for violence and final solution of the ossetinian issue was awaken when the power in Tbilisi felt in hand of adventurists such as Noe Zhordania, who right away offered the country as a trophy to other powers that were eager to be in this strategic region. On one of the last days of May, 2008, Georgian military columns were marching along Rustavelli avenue in the centre of Tbilisi with a special pomp – wearing new NATO uniform, with American riffles M-4 instead of “Kalashnikov”. The picture of the day was embellished by earlier unseen in Georgia armoured vehicles “Cobra” and “Iroquois” – a gift of western strategic friends. This was the way the leaders of the republic decided to celebrate 90 years from declaration of democratic republic of Georgia at the head of social democrat Noe Zhordania. The main sorrow of this father of Transcaucasian democracy was the deep persuasion that a fateful mistake was made by Georgian tsars when they were directing towards Russia. Republic of Zhordania, however, existed for less than 3 years – up to March 1921 – but left rough memories after itself.

Zhordania and his adherents, calling themselves Mensheviks, found support in the west very quickly, and decided to assault Russian positions at Caucasus. Active Zhordania started to obtain independence from inviting German troops to the republic. It was not in vain: Kaiser rewarded this zeal with Prussian Order for aid to the army of occupation. But Germany lost the World War II, and Zhordania replaced the powerless German ally with a more reliable British protectorate. During all those years Georgian soldiers were by turns wearing German and British uniform, and they did not even remember of any independence that turned out to be a myth. There was no success on fronts with the regulatory army, and Georgian forces fought having lost any idea of the political coordinates system, and not very bravely, must be said. But a chance to be notable came soon. Their neighbor, ossetinians, refused to divide from Russia, fighting the right of nation for self-determination. In response, Georgian government decided to punish the independent neighbor and sent punitive troops to Ossetia. Multiple historical archives still keep documents of those years – memories with eerie details of genocide, letters and telegrams with desperate cries for help that osetinians directed to Moscow. “Without any reason, cause, warning, they are firing villages disorderly, using machine-guns and other weapon.” “In 1920 it was not simply an assimilation started – but it was an ethnic purge started. It was the first approach of Georgia to exile and exterminate descendants of ossetinians and alans,” – the historian and political scientist Valentin Falin says. The first genocide was, however, not the first try to punish too independent ossetinians who had joined Russia 30 years before Georgia. Even in 19 century Georgian princes, being a part of Russian Empery, by any mean tried to claim control over South Ossetia. They even made a request to St.-Petersburg Senate. Enterprising princes, however, got a resolute refusal. History saved the famous expression: “Princes Machabelovs are refused in the importunity to recognize serfdom over ossetinians.” Georgia intentions were so unmerciful that, by a personal order of Emperor, ossetinians were given the category of formal state peasants. It was a prototype of the future autonomy of South Ossetia. Then it was October 17th, and the knight of national movement, as well as father of the political chimera named “absolute independence of Georgia”, Noe Zhordania gave an order to start a punitive operation. Facts are terrifying: 18 thousand of brutally murdered, over 50 thousand were banished from burning villages. The most part of them died because of cold and illnesses. Having known those facts, people's commissar Chicherin sent a sharp note of protest to Georgian government.

“We insist on Georgia recalling her troops from Ossetia because we reckon that Ossetia must have only the power she is willing to have”. In 1921 the Red Army entered Georgia. Genocide was stopped. Zhordania emigrated to France. All the 3 years Georgia, per se, was an instrument of influence, a guide of foreign interests, where unhidden genocide was taking place under banners of decorative independence.

No one would think that time that it was not for the last time. But, as it has been proved, Zhordania has assiduous learners, and the history repeated twice after nearly 100 years, which tightened the age-old ossetinian knot.

  
Dew 2007  #553571  Mon, 11 Aug 08 04:26 PM
These are the photos of Reuter where they describe the Russian bombing. (Of course you have seen them)
If we pay attention to the Reuter's photos something strange may be seen -in the first photo a Georgian has a  relative (who is surely killed in the back)

in the next - the same relative is clearly killed in the stomack (and the man who is carried by a nurse (with such a wound he  should be killed) but he is strongly holding the woman's hand)


in the third the man that was in the first one is already dressed (if he doesn't know about the death them why is he crying?)  (If he knows why isn't he rying to look for him and cover him&)

But in the next video the killed relative is being carried by the Georgian soldiers to the hospital, because he is alive!!!
Sorry, the video didn't sick, but it is repeated constanty on Western TV channels

The next photo is the killed woman that lies on the ground


But the posotion of the corpse doesn't look well enough perhaps... So the scene is changed
Then she begind to cry again


The Georgian soldiers are carrying a wounded boy (his wounded leg is not supported and it should hurt a lot) but his face doesn't display anything... The other woman is just taking the place she should occupy)

because she should begin to cry for the camera...

A nice thriller... Let's all believe it!






  
Winpoj  #553579  Mon, 11 Aug 08 04:46 PM
So now even Russian sources admit that the Russian "peacekeepers" have entered the territory of Georgia proper. Do our Russian members still think is perfectly OK?

As to the pictures, I can't tell if there is anything fake about them. The same would probably be true about Russian pictures showing Georgian atrocities.
  
Not Ranked
Joined on Thu, Jun 15 2006
Prague
New Member (48)
Dew 2007  #553593  Mon, 11 Aug 08 05:10 PM
Well, let's only answer one question: Why neither of the democratic countries (None of them!!!) offered humanitarian help to the Ossetinian people?
The only aid was that the US aircfarts helped to carry armoury from Iraq to Georgia...
  
1 2 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 15
AddThis Feed Button RSS Feed: Controversial Subjects
© 2008 MediaCET Ltd.
Terms and Conditions & Terms of Service