Georgia - a peaceloving genocide

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Dew 2007  #552516  Fri, 08 Aug 08 02:42 PM
After heavy bombing of Tskhinvali city for several hours georgian troops began a peaceful genocide against South Ossetia. Five osetian villages do not exist any longer (they are burned to the ground). Nothing is known about their citizens.
Who needs the war at the day of the opening of the Olympic games?

M/Saakashvilly declared the  beginning of the peaceful talks yesteday at 22.00 and at 23.00 peaceful artillery and rockets began them.
The UN didn't say anything against it... (except that they stand for peace).
What is going on in the world?

I tried to listen to the news from all over the world - most of the world news agencies didn't pay much attention at all and some supported this "democratic" steps.
I just don't understand anything. Can you explain your posotion?
  
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Dew 2007  #552535  Fri, 08 Aug 08 03:27 PM
The latest news about the destroyed villages in Ossetia - All the citizens (regardless of the fact whether women or children) were killed by the Georgian troops.
The soldiers just entered one house after another and killed  everyone inside.
  
Ruslana  #552694  Fri, 08 Aug 08 10:32 PM
I'm really shocked by what Georgia did!

Dew 2007

Who needs the war at the day of the opening of the Olympic games?
I just don't understand anything. Can you explain your posotion?


I may be old-fashioned, but it all seems to be coming from the US.

Hey, you know what's noteworthy? The biggest news sources such as BBC, CNN, SkyNews did NOT even care to say it was Georgian troops that started the agression againts Ossetians, and that's why Russian tanks entered Ossetia. The western news agencies simply seem to be wanting to show that Russia is the agressor. (:@) Angry For example, taken forom BBC a minute ago - "Russian forces battle Georgians"... No comments!! It's just a direct perversion of the truth.

Damn it! I am just thinking about the fact of information sources... The English language is common, so people all over the world can watch and read western news and compare it with their national news. And western people don't have such a possibility to compare because they do not know, for example, Russian... so they DO lack information and have to be happy with what BBC, CNN, SkyNews give them as true facts. That's soooo creepy! Information war, this is how it's called.
  
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Dew 2007  #552771  Sat, 09 Aug 08 06:59 AM
And nothing has been said about the fact that only after (at 14.00 next day) when Russian troops entered Oessetia the people could get medical care. Nothing is said about the fact that more than 70% of Tskhinvali lies in ruins, that more than 1400 peaceful peole were  killed. That Georgian tanks were firing straight at the Peace keeping Russian forces, that the houses of the PK forces were totally destroyed...and the Georgiaan soldiers were killing the wounded Ossetian people and Russian PK soldiers.
What do they call it? a Russian agression?
  
Ruslana  #552779  Sat, 09 Aug 08 07:45 AM
Dew 2007

What do they call it? a Russian agression?

Apparently.

I'm starting to despite hypocritical and inhuman US politicians. The worst think is that it all fits the course highlighted in "Zeitgeist" movie and described in "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" book.

Hey world, do you think anything's ever going to happen with that damn political course of the US, the only aim of which is to cause conflicts and wars all over the world? Where the heck is the world going to?
  
Lawyee  #552977  Sat, 09 Aug 08 09:50 PM
Have you two realized that the only people who so far discussed in this thread are Russians? What's the reason?
Just to inform you, also in my country (non-Russian and non-American) there are discussions about the present situation in Georgia. I can't really say whether American or Russian media inform correctly about it. But if Russia is a part to this conflict, can you really say that their news are the "neutral" one? The "Zeitgeist" is not about Americans, it's about the power that can come from anywhere - USA, Russia, China, EU, India - whatever you want. I am really disappointed that every single conflict in the world is being connected to Americans without even thinking about the real situation. They are not that allmighty...
I feel really sorry for all the people (whether civilians or soldiers) who die in such useless conflicts... The more do I feel sorry for them if they are used by propaganda of a certain government to promote their attitudes. Do you think that quarrels about Russian or Georgian agression will help their families to overcome their despair?
I don't want to initiate a discussion about who is responsible for the present state but I challenge your idea of "American masterplans" by mentioning that Russia warned Westernees that after recognizing Kosovo, they will support the independence of Georgian autonomous provinces... There is never a single source of conflicts in international politics. And to call Russians as protectors of independent nations is somehow weird to me, if you remember Chechenyan conflict, which is in my opinion analogous to present conflict in Georgia.

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Hey world, do you think anything's ever going to happen with that damn political course of the US, the only aim of which is to cause conflicts and wars all over the world? Where the heck is the world going to?
The world would be so simple if we would have only those "BAD Americans" who want to rule the world. Unfortunately, there are more such powers in the world... Do you see them?
  
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Ruslana  #553123  Sun, 10 Aug 08 09:30 AM
Hey Lawyee,

Yep, I noticed that we're only two Russians that have been discussing it all. I'll remain silent about possible reasons of that.

Lawyee
I can't really say whether American or Russian media inform correctly about it. But if Russia is a part to this conflict, can you really say that their news are the "neutral" one?


Laywee, I did not claim and I do not claim that Russian mass media are "neutral". But I must say that in the present situation I tend to trust Russian news more, and I do think it's more objective than, for example, CNN. Why? Because, unlike the US economics, Russian economics isn't on its way to a great depression, and Russia doesn't have to desperately find ways to stop the coming collapse and thus to cause wars and conflicts looking for resources, and accordingly Russia doesn't have to find any "political" excuses of the done. America is losing the former might, which makes her mad.

As to Zeitgeist, well, would you mind watching it again please? It's clearly said there from whom the devilish tricks are coming, unless you've got a "politically correct" version of the movie. 

Lawyee
...that Russia warned Westernees that after recognizing Kosovo, they will support the independence of Georgian autonomous provinces... There is never a single source of conflicts in international politics. And to call Russians as protectors of independent nations is somehow weird to me, if you remember Chechenyan conflict, which is in my opinion analogous to present conflict in Georgia.


Okay, I see your point. 
What can I say? The western mass media and politicians twisted the story about the Chechenyan conflict (and other conflicts too) so much that we cannot really discuss it now and make any analogues productively for you simply have doubful and perverted information. As I said, I do think Russian news is more trustful because:
1) Russia doesn't have those reasons of getting resources by any mean I described above;
2) Russia is much closer to the epicentre of the events than any western country, and thus it's more difficult (I do not say impossible, I say more difficult) to hide or twist facts here, also because there are always people, relatives, friends who are or were in the very hot spot and can tell us of the situation. We do have information at the first hand, not twisted by any mass media.
It's really a pity that western people can't follow Russian news (just for curiosity's sake, or to have a chance to compare different sources at least) for they mostly do not speak Russian.

Lawyee
The world would be so simple if we would have only those "BAD Americans" who want to rule the world. Unfortunately, there are more such powers in the world... Do you see them?


Wait, wait a minute... Yeah! I've just looked at the world map and realized that RUSSIA takes an enormous part of that, and, being greedy and being sick and tired of various Napoleons and Gitlers, and having given Alaska to the US pursuing the world control aims, Russia is the power that all the rest world is afraid of for they have no idea of Russian mentality. (6) Devil Big Smile
  
Dew 2007  #553132  Sun, 10 Aug 08 10:08 AM
It's very easy to judge and speak about Russian agression, whebn you are away from here and you have noone whom you know who is involved in the conflict.
There is an ossetinian family who lives near by and I see that woman having grown white during the day.
Her mother and a three-year-old cousin were slaughtered in one of the villages. The last phone call she had was from the cellar when Georgian troops were entering the vilage.
In the morning when the Russian troops entered the village she got the message that they had been found with their throats cut...
There was nobody left alive...
They were Russian citizens...
Would US or UN care to protect them?

I have a Georgian family who lives in the next house. They came to help her. They don't understand what is going on either.
There's no hatred between these people... Neither of us understands who needs that war...
Russia is a multinational country where the people live together side by side. But none of the western countries would like to defend the Russian citizens.
Nor did they want to defend the Serbs in Kosovo. 

Do you want to let other small children killed?




  
Ruslana  #553145  Sun, 10 Aug 08 10:46 AM
Dew 2007
It's very easy to judge and speak about Russian agression, when you are away from here and you have noone whom you know who is involved in the conflict.
There is an ossetinian family who lives near by and I see that woman having grown white during the day.
Her mother and a three-year-old cousin were slaughtered in one of the villages. The last phone call she had was from the cellar when Georgian troops were entering the vilage.
In the morning when the Russian troops entered the village she got the message that they had been found with their throats cut...


This is the evidence of what I wrote above about at first hand information. We do have the information not distorted by any mass media or politicians, and we do have a possibility to compare what different sources say.

Western people are becoming victims of another information deceit.

I've just found an interesting and very weird fact.
"Google maps" has eliminated any information about Gerogia from its maps. And "Yahoo maps" doesn't even have Tskhinvali displayed. I wonder why it's like that. 

Google maps


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