Antonia  +  126413 Fri, 12 Aug 05 05:57 PM Hi! I'm looking for a similar phrase, word or expression, perhaps an idiom conveying the sense: It is possible to end negotiations by getting off worse than you were before entering negotiations. Thank you Antonia Joined on Fri, Mar 11 2005 Contributing Member 1,266 Idioms

	khoff  +  126424 Fri, 12 Aug 05 06:58 PM I would say "It's possible to end negotiations being worse off than you were before entering negotiations." khoff Joined on Sun, Mar 6 2005 Senior Member 3,269 Native speaker of American English (but not a grammar expert)

	LanguageLover  +  126435 Fri, 12 Aug 05 07:27 PM Are we talking about Iran's nuclear activities? LanguageLover Joined on Fri, Feb 25 2005 Contributing Member 1,507 The similarities among the languages are more than their differences!

	Clive  +  126465 Fri, 12 Aug 05 09:15 PM Hi,  A common phrase is 'to come off worse', meaning to have a worse result than the other person. In the game between Mary and Jane, Mary came off worse. In the negotiations, she came off worse than she started.  Best wishes, Clive Clive Joined on Thu, Oct 28 2004 Canada Veteran Member 29,612 El tango argentino es un pensamiento triste que se puede bailar (The tango argentino is a sad thought which can be danced) Enrique Santos Discépolo

	Antonia  +  126876 Sun, 14 Aug 05 10:01 AM Hello Khoff, Language Lover and Clive! That's the phrase I've been looking for, thank you. Language Lover, it's not about that, although unfortunately it could be. Antonia