Grammar questions

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Bennyman  #333898  Tue, 27 Feb 07 10:35 PM

Hello and welcome to my thread.

My English teacher has corrected a translation of mine, and while I don't doubt her abilities, I would  like a second opinion.

The questions are as follows:

  •  "A lot of progress was made[...]" or "Much progress was made[...]" - which one is better?
  • planter or plantation ownerwhich one is better?
  •  sugar mill or cane mill - which one is better?
  •  "[...] and it was difficult to identify the culprits." or "[...] and it was difficult to find the culprits." - which one is better?
  •  "Many died from the inhuman conditions on board the ships." or "Many died from the inhumane conditions on board the ships." - which one is better?
  • "The survivors were sold like cattle to white planters at auctions, where men often were separated from their wives and children." or "The survivors were sold like cattle to white planters at auctions, where husbands often were separated from their wives and children." - which one is better?

What's the difference between saying 'often were' separated from their wives and children, and 'were often' separated from their wives and children? My teacher says that they are both correct, however, it looks better if you write "often were separated". So, in effect, the auxiliary verb lies next to the verb.

 

  •  The strongest men and women worked in the (is 'the' really needed here?) tobacco and cotton fields in the South and at sugar mills in the West Indies.
  •  "Only few – especially beautiful, young Negro girls – worked as house slaves [...]" or "Only a few – especially the beautiful, young Negro girls – worked as house slaves [...]" which one is better?

Thanks beforehand,

Ben.

  
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CalifJim  #333912  Tue, 27 Feb 07 11:18 PM

The questions are as follows:

  •  "A lot of progress was made[...]" or "Much progress was made[...]" - which one is better?
  • planter or plantation ownerwhich one is better?
  •  sugar mill or cane mill - which one is better?
  •  "[...] and it was difficult to identify the culprits." or "[...] and it was difficult to find the culprits." - which one is better? identify and find mean different things.  If determining the identity of the culprits is the issue, use identify.  If someone had to go looking for them, use find.
  •  "Many died from the inhuman conditions on board the ships." or "Many died from the inhumane conditions on board the ships." - which one is better?
  • "The survivors were sold like cattle to white planters at auctions, where men often were separated from their wives and children." or "The survivors were sold like cattle to white planters at auctions, where husbands often were separated from their wives and children." - which one is better?

What's the difference between saying 'often were' separated from their wives and children, and 'were often' separated from their wives and children? My teacher says that they are both correct, however, it looks better if you write "often were separated". So, in effect, the auxiliary verb lies next to the verb.  Normal order is 'were often'.  For literary effect, 'often were'.  Both are correct, as stated above.

  •  The strongest men and women worked in the (is 'the' really needed here? No, but I happen to prefer it here. -- Personal opinion only.) tobacco and cotton fields in the South and at sugar mills in the West Indies.
  •  "Only few – especially beautiful, young Negro girls – worked as house slaves [...]" or "Only a few – especially the beautiful, young Negro girls – worked as house slaves [...]" which one is better?
These are all questions of personal preference and taste.  All the choices are grammatically correct.
It would be only be a waste of time to argue for one or another choice in most of these cases.  (The only exception is inhumane.)

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Bennyman  #333945  Wed, 28 Feb 07 12:37 AM

I don't really get the difference between using inhuman or inhumane.

inhumane:

not compassionate: lacking compassion and causing excessive suffering

inhuman:

1. very cruel: showing great cruelty and a lack of humanity
2. unfeeling: giving an impression of being cold and unfeeling
3. not human: not seeming to be human, or not characteristic of human beings

It seems like pretty much the same, though I would use inhuman in this case since it has a broader meaning. My teacher also said it was better, but I am guessing inhumane is also a possibility since they are both adjectives explaining largely "evil/cruel" human behaviour.

'Very cruel' could be causing excessive suffering

'Unfeeling' is the equivalent of "not compassionate".

  
Ant_222  #333952  Wed, 28 Feb 07 12:50 AM

«It seems like pretty much the same, though I would use inhuman in this case since it has a broader meaning. »

But only the first (of the three listed) meaning of "inhuman" reflects that of "inhumane"...

EDIT: Conditions cannot be neither "not compassionable" nor "not human".

  
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Grammar Geek  #333953  Wed, 28 Feb 07 12:52 AM

You're right Bennyman. From the dictionary definition, it's hard to tell, but "inhumane conditions" is just such a frequent collocation that it's just the way it is...

I actually do like "husbands" instead of "men" because it seems a little more emotional, but it's, as Jim says, a matter of style.

  
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Bennyman  #333958  Wed, 28 Feb 07 01:13 AM

My teacher said it was a mistake to use "inhumane conditions" when talking about Africans being shipped from Africa to America, but I couldn't figure out why I had to use "inhuman conditions" in this case.

http://www.allwords.com/word-inhuman,%20inhumane.html

I found this little bit about the subject.

  
CalifJim  #333975  Wed, 28 Feb 07 01:53 AM
The allwords site says about the same thing as I was thinking when I posted above.
inhuman typically applies to people.  inhumane would apply to conditions (among other things), which is the case with the sentence you posted.

CJ

  
Bennyman  #334203  Wed, 28 Feb 07 05:07 PM
Yeah, my teacher is wrong. She marked it as a mistake and told me to use "inhuman" next time.
  
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