Lgen  +  146656 Tue, 11 Oct 05 02:15 AM I was never really good in the grammar part of english classes, so I sign up for a Comp class, hoping to better my skills. Well, it's getting there, but on a recent essay I caught heck trying to figure out something so simple-verb tenses. I want to say something to the nature of: This seems hopeful, although we still haven't ______ the books. While that wasn't my actual sentence, it was to the same degree. Would I use got? Gotten? It's throwing me for a flip. I'd use got in everyday conversation, but I know grammar defy's everyday conversation... Thanks in advance. Lgen Joined on Tue, Oct 11 2005 New Member 02 Grammar, Verbs, Conversations, Tenses, Essays

	Clive  +  146668 Tue, 11 Oct 05 02:51 AM Hi, I'd say although we still haven't _got_____ the books. 'Got' is fine. If you live in the USA, you might hear people say 'gotten' in a sentence like this. grammar defy's everyday conversation... Yeah, ain't it the truth! But sometimes, when you have something really important to say, it can help people to understand you better. Best wishes, Clive  Clive Joined on Thu, Oct 28 2004 Canada Veteran Member 29,619 El tango argentino es un pensamiento triste que se puede bailar (The tango argentino is a sad thought which can be danced) Enrique Santos Discépolo Grammar, Verbs, Conversations

	CalifJim  +  146704 Tue, 11 Oct 05 05:29 AM For American English: If you say you still haven't got the books, you're saying you still don't have them. If you say you still haven't gotten the books, you're saying you still haven't received them (from whoever is going to deliver them). They are very similar.  It may not make a difference in the context you are working with. CJ CalifJim Joined on Mon, Aug 2 2004 California Veteran Member 22,399 "There are no facts, only interpretations" - Nietzsche American English, Grammar, Verbs