had/would rather

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Emily__  #260973  Wed, 30 Aug 06 02:26 PM

Hi, I found some recommended explanations, but I´m still a bit confused:

1. I´d rather you went.

2. You´d rather stay.

(I suppose "´d" could be either "had" or "would".)

Why there is past simple in 1 and present simple in 2?

Thank you.

  
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Marius Hancu  #260975  Wed, 30 Aug 06 02:33 PM
See:
http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/054.html
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=35170&dict=CALD
http://www.dictionary.net/had+rather

Possible translations:

1. I´d rather you went. I had rather you went.
(I would prefer/like that you would go there/My wish is that you ...)

2. You´d rather stay. You would rather stay.
(You would prefer/like to stay here/Your wish is that you ...)

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CalifJim  #261140  Wed, 30 Aug 06 09:15 PM
The 'short' answers are as follows.

'd taken to mean had is an older interpretation.  Over time, people have come to think of it as would.  The modern interpretation of 'd  in that expression is now would.

As for the tenses.

Case 1:  The clause after rather explicitly contains a subject different from the subject of the sentence.

I'd rather you [go / went].  Subject of sentence:  I   -- Subject of the preference:  you.
Sue would rather Tom [do / did] the job.  Subject of sentence:  Sue -- Subject of the preference:  Tom.
My son would rather I [buy / bought] the shirt.  Subject of sentence:  My son -- Subject of the preference:  I.

In such cases either the bare infinitive or the simple past may be used.  (I''m not sure if either of these is actually preferred.)

Case 2:  The clause after rather implicitly contains the same subject as the subject of the sentence.

I'd rather {I} go.  Subject of sentence:  I -- Subject of the preference:  I (unstated).
You'd rather {you}stay.  Subject of sentence you -- Subject of the preference:  you (unstated).
Mary would rather {Mary} do it herself.  Subject of sentence:  Mary -- Subject of the preference:  Mary (unstated).

In such cases only the bare infinitive is used.

CJ

  
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Goodman  #261168  Wed, 30 Aug 06 11:21 PM
 Emily__ wrote:

Hi, I found some recommended explanations, but I´m still a bit confused:

1. I´d rather you went.

2. You´d rather stay.

(I suppose "´d" could be either "had" or "would".)

Why there is past simple in 1 and present simple in 2?

Thank you.

It’s pouring outside. I’d rather be staying home than going out tonight. – the apostrophe ‘d’ to me is the contracted form of “would”.  “Had” seems wrong to me.

1. I´d rather you went. –The construction seems wrong but the apostrophe “d” is “would”.

2. You´d (would) rather stay, I presume – ok  

  
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