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Yoong Liat  #367021  Fri, 18 May 07 10:22 AM
The children's mother had been looking after them, bus since she passed away, their father has / has had to look after them.

Which verb should I use?

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Marius Hancu  #367023  Fri, 18 May 07 10:30 AM
since -> has had
  
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Rex  #367047  Fri, 18 May 07 12:43 PM
The children's mother had been looking after them, bus since she passed away, their father has / has had to look after them.

Which verb should I use?
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1. The children's mother had been looking after them, after her death, their father has to look after them.
2. The children's mother had been looking after them, after her death their father has to look after them.

Marius
I removed the conjunction 'since'. I guess the verb should be 'has' now. Is it correct now? I am not sure.
Out of my two sentences, which is the correct one?   Do the commas  make  any difference in the meaning?
  
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Kooyeen  #367051  Fri, 18 May 07 12:54 PM
Hi Yoong,
>>The children's mother had been looking after them, but since she passed away, their father has / has had to look after them.

I don't like that past perfect. Without any context, I see you are talking from a present point of view (now, present situation, the father has to take care of the children). I'll modify that sentence in order to use "has" or "has had":

The children's mother used to look after them, but (ever) since she passed away, their father has had to look after them. - I don't know if it is better to include that "ever", it's just that "since" might always be mistaken for "because", especially when the clause with "since" comes before the one with the present perfect.

It was the children's mother who used to look after them, but since (= because) she passed away, now it's their father who has to look after them. - Here "since" means "because of the fact that", and so I used "has", simple present. This was my first interpretation of your original sentence, because I always tend to consider "since" as "because" when it comes out of the blue.

That's my opinion, not sure it's correct though. Let's wait for someone else. Smile [:)]

  
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Marius Hancu  #367078  Fri, 18 May 07 02:58 PM
Kooyeen:

>I don't like that past perfect

It is perfectly OK.

Rex:

1. The children's mother had been looking after them, but after her death their father has had to look after them.

A simple past is assumed (related to her death), but not visible, thus the past perfect is justified here too. And since we're dealing with the time since/from that event (she died) in the past to the present, you need the present perfect.

However, if the father stopped doing that before present time (or if you don't even consider present time, say in a story where everything is in the past), use had.


  
Yoong Liat  #367121  Fri, 18 May 07 05:21 PM
Thanks, Marius and Kooyeen, for your reply.
  
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