"has to" as a helping verb?

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Anonymous  #194304  Wed, 08 Feb 06 08:31 PM
In the sentence, "She has to eat salad every day," would "has to" be a helping verb for the action verb "eat?" Initially "to eat" looks like an infinitive, but isn't "has to" another way of saying "must," which would make it a helping verb?

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MrPedantic  #194396  Thu, 09 Feb 06 12:20 AM

Hello Anon

The verb "have" in your sentence acts as a modal verb. As a modal verb, it takes an infinitive:

1. She eats salad every day. ] A simple statement about a regular occurrence.

2. She has to eat salad every day. ] We now learn something about the eating: it's something she's compelled to do.

When "have" acts as a modal verb, the pronunciation is slightly different:

3. She has to eat salad] the S in "has" is a hissing noise.

4. She has eaten the salad ] the s in "has" sounds like a Z.

5. We have to eat salad every day ] the V in "have" sounds like an F.

6. We have eaten the salad ] the V sounds like the v in "love".

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milky  #194537  Thu, 09 Feb 06 09:30 AM

 Anonymous wrote:
In the sentence, "She has to eat salad every day," would "has to" be a helping verb for the action verb "eat?" Initially "to eat" looks like an infinitive, but isn't "has to" another way of saying "must," which would make it a helping verb? Thanks!

"Have/has/had (to)" is not a member of the main group of modal auxiliary verbs, but is known by many as a "semi-modal auxiliary". Another name for "auxiliary verb" is "helping verb". So, you are right, "have (to)" is a helping verb.

"Have to" is normally used for subjective obligation or necessity, e.g. when a person feels he/she is obliged to do something or something is necessary, and "must" (in one use) is used for expressing objective obligation or necessity. that is, when the obligation or necessity is placed upon us by another person. However, it seems that a few American English speakers do not distinguish between those uses.

  
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MrPedantic  #194827  Thu, 09 Feb 06 11:10 PM
 Milky wrote:

"Have to" is normally used for subjective obligation or necessity, e.g. when a person feels he/she is obliged to do something or something is necessary, and "must" (in one use) is used for expressing objective obligation or necessity. that is, when the obligation or necessity is placed upon us by another person.

It's an attractive theory, Milky; but would you say it holds true of all these examples?

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2    ng man had so little time to learn he had to  be curious; he had to find out. Th
3     internal combustion became cheap, he had to be near  a railroad siding and a tr
4     cut two-thirds of  the rail lines he had to break and Sherman lived in  mortal
5    ain Chandler long to realize  that he had to carry a heavy load of tradition on
6     job too big for his imagination;  he had to cling to routine, tested procedures
7    e slowly.  He rose from his chair. He had to cough then; he went  to the window
8    prepared for almost any emergency. He had to depend  on himself, since he was in
9    on.  He had to make Jess talk, and he had to do it before  Stacey Black got curi
10   y as many as six strokes.  Now all he had to do was finish in even par to collec
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Ryanz0r  #194832  Thu, 09 Feb 06 11:19 PM
Basically, here the verb "have" (in this case conjugated as "has") is synonymous to the verb "must," explaining that the action is obligatory. The difference is that "have/has" in this context is followed by an infinitive verb (in this case "to eat"), whereas "must" is followed by a standardised verb ("eat" on its own, in other words without "to").

"He has to eat."
"He must eat."
  
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milky  #194924  Fri, 10 Feb 06 04:42 AM
 MrPedantic wrote:
 Milky wrote:

"Have to" is normally used for subjective obligation or necessity, e.g. when a person feels he/she is obliged to do something or something is necessary, and "must" (in one use) is used for expressing objective obligation or necessity. that is, when the obligation or necessity is placed upon us by another person.

It's an attractive theory, Milky; but would you say it holds true of all these examples?

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Hard to tell, as so many of those examples are too short. I'm talking about the General Semantic Meaning (see M Lewis) of those forms in BrEng.. I showed the prototypical meaning of each of those forms, but that which happens in numerous contexts and with varied speakers is often hard to track.

  
milky  #194927  Fri, 10 Feb 06 04:48 AM
"MrPedantic" It's an attractive theory, Milky; but would you say it holds true of all these examples?

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So, tell me what you think about a few of them.

1     the chance to grow up graciously. He had to acquire  everything he was going to

Subjective (personal) belief, on the part of the speaker, or influenced by objective (social) fact ?


2    ng man had so little time to learn he had to  be curious; he had to find out. Th

Subjective (personal) belief, on the part of the speaker, or influenced by objective (social) fact ?


3     internal combustion became cheap, he had to be near  a railroad siding and a tr

Subjective (personal) belief, on the part of the speaker, or influenced by objective (social) fact ?


4     cut two-thirds of  the rail lines he had to break and Sherman lived in  mortal

Subjective (personal) belief, on the part of the speaker, or influenced by objective (social) fact ?


5    ain Chandler long to realize  that he had to carry a heavy load of tradition on

Subjective (personal) belief, on the part of the speaker, or influenced by objective (social) fact ?


 

  
MrPedantic  #194988  Fri, 10 Feb 06 08:13 AM

I would take those as subjective. But there seem to be some complications with "had to". It's often presented as the "past tense" of "must", e.g.

1. "You must go directly to the headmaster's study and wait for me there."

Later: "He said I had to go directly to the headmaster's study and wait for him there."

But:

2. "You must not pass Go. You must not collect £200."

Later: ?"You had not to pass Go. You had not to collect £200."

While "You didn't have to pass Go..." seems ambiguous: it can also read like a subjective opinion.

It's interesting in itself that we don't have a past form of "must".

Cf. also this use of "had to":

3  ...by Blue Throat and his gang. All he had to do was light the fuses of the dynamite...

Here, the sense of the underlined part is "all there remained for him to do": an objective requirement, but not an objective compulsion.

MrP

  
milky  #195115  Fri, 10 Feb 06 04:23 PM
 Milky wrote:

 Anonymous wrote:
In the sentence, "She has to eat salad every day," would "has to" be a helping verb for the action verb "eat?" Initially "to eat" looks like an infinitive, but isn't "has to" another way of saying "must," which would make it a helping verb? Thanks!

"Have/has/had (to)" is not a member of the main group of modal auxiliary verbs, but is known by many as a "semi-modal auxiliary". Another name for "auxiliary verb" is "helping verb". So, you are right, "have (to)" is a helping verb.

"Must" is normally used for subjective obligation or necessity, e.g. when a person feels he/she is obliged to do something or something is necessary, and "have to" (in one use) is used for expressing objective obligation or necessity. that is, when the obligation or necessity is placed upon us by another person. However, it seems that a few American English speakers do not distinguish between those uses.

Sorry, All. I've been sleeping badly the past few nights and have been typing tired nonsense. See my corrections above.

Lesson to be learned: check one's posts before posting.

  
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