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Fandorin  #573862  Mon, 06 Oct 08 08:59 PM
"Focus on what you want to have happen."

What kind of that? I cannot understand it completely.

Thanks in advance.

 

  
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Cool Breeze  #573865  Mon, 06 Oct 08 09:12 PM
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"Focus on what you want to have happen."

What kind of that? I cannot understand it completely.


 

No one can, it's incorrect. It should be Focus on what you want to happen.

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Fandorin  #573869  Mon, 06 Oct 08 09:15 PM
 I read it in the article. Smile It also seems strange to me. Thank you, Cool Breeze.
  
CalifJim  #573871  Mon, 06 Oct 08 09:23 PM
Fandorin
What kind of that?
I don't understand this incomplete question, but I guess you want an explanation of the use of have.

It's "causative have".  The idea is that you can control what happens.  You manage your activities so that a particular event will happen or so that a particular goal will be accomplished.  You focus (concentrate your efforts) on the goal that you want to cause to happen.

Other paraphrases:  I want to have it (the world / life) so that ... / I want to arrange it (the world / life) so that ... / I want it (the world / life) to arrange itself so that ...

I want to have the children sing the national anthem.  This is what I want to have happen.

I want to have Mary help me to do my homework.  This is what I want to have happen. 

I want to have George stop smoking.  This is what I want to have happen.

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Cool Breeze  #573874  Mon, 06 Oct 08 09:30 PM
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I want to have the children sing the national anthem.  This is what I want to have happen.

I want to have Mary help me to do my homework.  This is what I want to have happen

I want to have George stop smoking.  This is what I want to have happen.

 

Hi Jim

Without an object, I consider the structure in red incorrect.

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CalifJim  #573880  Mon, 06 Oct 08 09:40 PM
This is what I want to have happen.   I want to have what happen?  What do I want to have happen?  I want to have it happen.  I want to have this happen.  This is what I want to have happen.

Following your lead, objects in blue.

Smile

CJ 

  
Fandorin  #573892  Mon, 06 Oct 08 10:14 PM
CalifJim
Fandorin
What kind of that?

I don't understand this incomplete question, but I guess you want an explanation of the use of have. Yes, It's exactly the point I'm interested in, sorry for non-complete question. 

It's "causative have".  The idea is that you can control what happens.  You manage your activities so that a particular event will happen or so that a particular goal will be accomplished.  You focus (concentrate your efforts) on the goal that you want to cause to happen.

Other paraphrases:  I want to have it (the world / life) so that ... / I want to arrange it (the world / life) so that ... / I want it (the world / life) to arrange itself so that ...

I want to have the children sing the national anthem.  This is what I want to have happen.

I want to have Mary help me to do my homework.  This is what I want to have happen. 

I want to have George stop smoking.  This is what I want to have happen.

CJ 

What an excitement!  I have never seen it before! I've happened to occur Construction like "have + object + past participle".

"I have my watch repaired". It means someone has repaired my watch for me, doesn't it?

I cannot comprehend the difference between.

"have + object + past participle" Is it used like a passive?  " I had my car checked".

"have + object + bare infinitive" Is it used like an active?      " I had Gregory do his job".

Is there essential difference between "Focus on what you want to have happen" and "Focus on what you want to happen" ? If yes, is it an expression of a strong desire?

  
CalifJim  #573895  Mon, 06 Oct 08 10:33 PM
Is there essential difference between "Focus on what you want to have happen" and "Focus on what you want to happen" ?  There's a difference, but not a very strong difference.

If yes, is it an expression of strong desire? In a way, yes, I suppose, because the idea of controlling your actions in an effort to reach your goal is involved.

What you want to happen is your wish.  It may happen; it may not happen.  You accept fate.

What you want to have happen is your goal.  You may succeed in causing it to happen; you may fail.  You attempt to control what happens.

On the other hand, what you want to have happen can be taken to be, as you say, your very strong wish or hope.  You wish you could influence the world and the people in it so that you get what you want.  In this interpretation, you put yourself in a more dependent role.  You're depending on others to arrange things so that you get what you want.  The control is indirect or perhaps even missing.

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The versions with the past participle are simply the passive variant of the same structure:

I'm going to have the plumber fix the pipes.  (Active)

I'm going to have the pipes fixed by a plumber. (Passive -- with agent)

I'm going to have the pipes fixed.  (Agentless passive)

CJ 

  
Fandorin  #573896  Mon, 06 Oct 08 10:39 PM
I'm much obliged to you, CalifJim. Thank you. Smile
  
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