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Inchoateknowledge

#282277 Tue, 17 Oct 06 06:04 PM

I am not going to have somebody come into my office to lay down the law.

My question is, what is this grammatical structure called.

I am not familiar with this.

Thanks.

Inchoateknowledge

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Beep! Beep! :)

Yankee

#282373 Tue, 17 Oct 06 09:17 PM

Hi Inch

I'd say that's a causative use of have.

(Have someone do --> cause someone to do something as if by command or invitation)

- Have him call me as soon as he gets in.
- I'm not going to have him do the monthly report anymore. He makes too many mistakes.

Yankee

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Inchoateknowledge

#282376 Tue, 17 Oct 06 09:22 PM

do you think?

thanks

Inchoateknowledge

CalifJim

#282457 Wed, 18 Oct 06 02:39 AM

I'm not sure if causative is the right term, even though the grammatical structure is the same. In the causative constructions, have means something like, well, cause -- or at least arrange for. Here is means allow or tolerate. Is there another name for this structure?

I'm not going to have someone come in and paint the house. (arrange for someone to paint it)
I'm not going to have someone tell me how to run my business. (tolerate someone telling me ...)

CJ

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Pastsimple

#282692 Wed, 18 Oct 06 04:26 PM

CalifJim wrote:
I'm not sure if causative is the right term, even though the grammatical structure is the same. In the causative constructions, have means something like, well, cause -- or at least arrange for. Here is means allow or tolerate. Is there another name for this structure?

I'm not going to have someone come in and paint the house. (arrange for someone to paint it)
I'm not going to have someone tell me how to run my business. (tolerate someone telling me ...)

CJ

If I'm not mistaken, Swan calls it "experience". See Practical English Usage, 3rd edition, page 209, entry 238.3

Pastsimple

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If you are a native speaker and find any grammar or stylistic mistakes in my posts, don't hesitate to tell me! I will really appreciate that.

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CalifJim

#282733 Wed, 18 Oct 06 06:37 PM

Past Simple,

I didn't quite get that. Do you mean instead of calling it "causative have", he calls it "experience have"?
Or instead of calling it a "causative structure", he calls it an "experience structure"?
Can you give a little more detail?

Thanks,
Jim