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MrPedantic  +  599327 Sun, 30 Nov 08 01:46 AM

Anonymous
“Have I got you right on all those points?”

No, not at all. 

Anonymous
“And, MrP, your #4: You do not know whether "must" in "I've had a wonderful evening. I must see you again." is more the default or prototypical form when compared to the "have to" in I've had a wonderful evening. I have to see you again."

”

Both examples sound a little "stagey" to me. Certainly they don't sound like something "young people" (as you put it) might say.

I would be more inclined to expect them from a middle-aged speaker with a theatrical background (perhaps in British theatre of the 1930s).

All the best, 

MrP
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Anonymous, 355 days ago
<Both examples sound a little "stagey" to me. Certainly they don't sound like something "young people" (as you put it) might say. >

I certainly didn't suggest that young people would say either of those sentences.  I said that some people feel that "have to", in some of it's uses is an American import or is the speech of young people. You invented the "have to" version. Are you losng your memory, old thing?
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Anonymous, 355 days ago
Mike in Japan
“I must/have to say; I'm impressed. I don't understand half the stuff you guys are debating, but the half I do is very impressive!


  

”

But do you understand the thread question, Mike? Can you comment on it?

Anonymous, 355 days ago
Edit of above post:

I said that some people feel that "have to", in some of its uses is an American import or is the speech of young people.
MrPedantic  +  600402 Sun, 30 Nov 08 11:17 PM

Anonymous
“I certainly didn't suggest that young people would say either of those sentences. ”

Then we are in agreement on at least the second half (underlined) of the "message" you mention here:

Anonymous
“

I see. So your underlying message is:

... 

3. "Have to" in examples such as "I've had a wonderful evening. I have to see you again" is not recent in British English and is probably not an import or language used by young people.
”

MrP
MrPedantic
Anonymous, 355 days ago
MrP, it would be impossible for me to agree with something that I have no knowledge of. You feel that "have to", in any of its BrEng uses is not an import or the language of young people. Simply that.
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