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nona the brit  +  187800 Tue, 24 Jan 06 06:07 AM
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Taka  +  188059 Tue, 24 Jan 06 04:15 PM
 Clive wrote:

Hi,

So, if the sentence 'The meaning of my life is she' were 'The meaning of my life is her' instead, does it sound natural to you? If not, why not?

No, it sounds a bit unnatural. 'The meaning of my life is Mary' sounds a little better. On the other hand, 'My problem is not you, it's her' sounds OK.

It's hard sometimes to explain why something sounds odd. I think one reason is that the high importance of what is being said, my statement about the meaning of my life, contrasts oddly with the use of the modest, humble little pronoun. It's like 'She's the most important aspect of my life but I won't bother to say her name'.

The whole choice of words seems a little unnatural to me. I'd be inclined to use the verb 'mean' in an active way, to give more life to what I'm saying. I'd also show that I have other meanings in my life by using a superlative. eg

Mary means more to me than anything else in my life.

Clive



OK. Thank you, Clive!
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Anonymous, 3 yr 285 days ago

Hi folks. Google brought up this forum when I did a search on "this is he" "this is him", so I thought I'd try to help. I can tell you that (at least from my own experience) it is quite common for people in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic U.S. to answer the phone with a "this is he/she." I personally have never liked the sound of this, but it is correct. "This is him" is definitely wrong. (I'm American, grew up in Pennsylvania, and have lived most of my adult life in Boston and D.C.)

In case you're interested:

A Frequently Asked Question about linking verbs concerns the correct response when you pick up the phone and someone asks for you. One correct response would be "This is he [she]." The predicate following the linking verb should be in the nominative (subject) form — definitely not "This is him." If "This is he" sounds stuffy to you, try using "Speaking," instead, or "This is Fred," substituting your own name for Fred's — unless it's a bill collector or telemarketer calling, in which case "This is Fred" is a good response for everyone except people named Fred. (from http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/verbs.htm).

Ikia  +  195504 Sat, 11 Feb 06 04:34 PM

In general spoken English, it is acceptable to use "me" (the objective form of the pronoun) after a linking verb for the FIRST PERSON only. You often hear, "It's me."

However, in teaching and among the educated, the nominative still prevails after the linking verb: This is he. This is she. It is they (the educated) who call the shots.

Ikia

Western NY, USA

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MrPedantic  +  195691 Sun, 12 Feb 06 01:20 AM
 Ikia wrote:

It is they (the educated) who call the shots.

I hope not...See the comments at the bottom of this news item.

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Taka  +  195765 Sun, 12 Feb 06 06:25 AM
 Anonymous wrote:

Hi folks. Google brought up this forum when I did a search on "this is he" "this is him", so I thought I'd try to help. I can tell you that (at least from my own experience) it is quite common for people in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic U.S. to answer the phone with a "this is he/she." I personally have never liked the sound of this, but it is correct. "This is him" is definitely wrong. (I'm American, grew up in Pennsylvania, and have lived most of my adult life in Boston and D.C.)

In case you're interested:

A Frequently Asked Question about linking verbs concerns the correct response when you pick up the phone and someone asks for you. One correct response would be "This is he [she]." The predicate following the linking verb should be in the nominative (subject) form — definitely not "This is him." If "This is he" sounds stuffy to you, try using "Speaking," instead, or "This is Fred," substituting your own name for Fred's — unless it's a bill collector or telemarketer calling, in which case "This is Fred" is a good response for everyone except people named Fred. (from http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/verbs.htm).



Hmm...so it seems like 'This is he' is not that bad after all...
Anonymous, 3 yr 284 days ago

Yes, I am quite aware of the ignorance of students and the faculty who teach them. . Scary, isn't it?

Ikia

Anonymous, 2 yr 228 days ago
It is grammatically correct to say "This is he" or "This is she".
It is NOT grammatically correct to say "This is him" or "This is her" when you answer the phone.

Hope this helps.
Steph
Clive  +  348502 Sun, 08 Apr 07 10:11 PM

Hi,

In the everyday world, if someone says 'Hello, can I speak to Clive, please?', I usually say

'I'm Clive' or 'This is Clive speaking' or simply the short form 'Speaking'. This last one is the most commonly said.

Best wishes, Clive

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