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Dominik  +  237776 Mon, 19 Jun 06 05:00 PM
I have read in Oxford dictionary that in British English you don't pronounce "r" at the end of a word or when a word ends in "re" , if the next word starts in a consonant.  If the next word starts in a vowel, you pronounce "r"
His car was old. -> [ca:]
His car isn't old -> [car]

What about "here" in these phrases? Do we act in a similar way?

here you are [hie]
here is [hier]
when "here" is alone -> here/in here [hie]

Am I right? Could somebody explain it?

Thanks in advance!
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Dominik  +  238062 Tue, 20 Jun 06 09:29 AM
Have I really stirred things up Smile [:)] or is it too difficult to explain it? I'm in a state of total confusion because in Poland most people pronounce "here" as [hir] the same as Americans Smile [:)]
LanguageLover  +  238143 Tue, 20 Jun 06 12:43 PM
Well, I'm not a native speaker, so it's better not to say anything about delicate pronunciation matters! However, as far as I know, even if "r" is at the end of the word, it can be pronunced as a weak sound. Hope it helps.  
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Dominik, 3 yr 155 days ago
I know that, but my question is WHEN do we pronounce "here" like [hir] and when like [hie] in BrE. Thank you very much for your reply nevertheless.

P.S. It should be "here it is" [hier] not "here is"
Colombo  +  238569 Wed, 21 Jun 06 12:50 PM

I'm not a native speaker, either, so I cannot explain you anything. I usually pronounce that final "r" like the British (that is, I don't pronounce it unless it's before a vowel). As for the word "here" and similar words, I do likewise. So, for example, in "here it is", I pronounce the "r", while in "here" alone or in "here comes", I don't. In the case of "here you are", I'm not so sure. I do pronounce the "r" in that case ([hier]), probably owing to the fact that the "y" seems to be a vocalic sound (is it?) So I should say that the case of "here" is the same as that of the words ending with an "r": [hier] before vowels (in my opinion, that includes "y"), and [hie] everywhere else. But, as I've told you, I'm not a native speaker, so don't rely completely on what I've said.

Here in Spain most people pronounce those final r's, too. There might be two explanations for that: either it's because of the huge influence of American English everywhere, or because we have a tendency to pronounce everything as it's written (so if we see an "r", we utter it).

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Dominik  +  238620 Wed, 21 Jun 06 03:15 PM
Hi,
Thank you very much for your reply. I think that "y" is a consonant. You pronounce it like [j] so in my opinion it should be [hieju:a:] in "here you are" but I'm not sure because everyone pronounces it differently Smile [:)]
In Polish Language you pronounce each "r" that is why it couses us trouble.Smile [:)]
Boilerkarl  +  238840 Thu, 22 Jun 06 03:07 AM

I realize that this is off-topic, but in American English, we always pronounce the final "R." I cannot think of instance where it is otherwise. Which, of course, means if you are questioned about it, you can claim that you were taught by an American.

Cheers.
Karl

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Dominik  +  238948 Thu, 22 Jun 06 10:09 AM
Thank you very much for your statement. I know,  maybe I'm wasting time on trivialities but on the other hand it would be better not to mix up BrE with AmE during a conversation.

Kindest regards
Dominik
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