Madhulk  +  951494 Sat, 24 Oct 09 01:45 PM In a fight scene everyone think that a fighter was smashed to death and drowned in a tar. Then the manager says: He's down, (dead or just defeated?) it's over. Madhulk Joined on Mon, Dec 17 2007 Bulgaria Senior Member 3,177 THE MAN OF STEEL

	Clive  +  951524 Sat, 24 Oct 09 02:27 PM Hi, I'm confused. 'Manager' suggests it's a professional fight. Yet someone drowns in tar?   If you 'drown', you are dead by definition.   Clive Clive Joined on Thu, Oct 28 2004 Canada Veteran Member 29,619 El tango argentino es un pensamiento triste que se puede bailar (The tango argentino is a sad thought which can be danced) Enrique Santos Discépolo

	Delmobile  +  951526 Sat, 24 Oct 09 02:31 PM Well, in boxing, the fight is over when one of the fighters is knocked unconscious. From Wiki: "...the referee begins counting until the fighter returns to his or her feet and can continue. Should the referee count to ten, then the knocked-down boxer is ruled "knocked out" (whether unconscious or not) and the other boxer is ruled the winner by knockout (KO)." This gives us the useful phrase "down for the count," which can be used outside the boxing ring as well. So, I'm guessing it merely means defeated. But perhaps the movie you are watching depicts a very brutal society, one in which a violent death is treated as lightly as a defeat on the playing field. In that case it would mean both defeated and dead. :) Delmobile Joined on Wed, Jan 2 2008 Contributing Member 1,082

	Madhulk  +  951681 Sat, 24 Oct 09 05:58 PM Thank you, Clive and Delmobile! Madhulk