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Latest post Tue, Mar 11 2008 5:29 PM by Dew 2007. 20 replies.
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Dominik  +  485034 Tue, 04 Mar 08 09:17 PM
Dew 2007
“ We should admit that there were and there still are many facts that may иу regarded differently and we will never come to the understanding if we look at them from the point of view of the propagandistic articles of different countries.”

Dear Dew, It's not a propaganda it's history. It's impossible to achieve a reconciliation  and trust basing on lies or half-truth. 

Edited by mod:

This post was made here, and I thought it could become a nice subject for a new thread. So let's start.

Ruslana  
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Ruslana  +  485201 Wed, 05 Mar 08 09:36 AM

I must agree with Dew.

In every country history is interpreted in the way that is more appropriate for politicans. They pay attention to facts which are propitious for their interests and they dissemble facts that don't go along with their aims and the political course they chose.

Owing to that, we have now lots of "blank spots" and "unexplainable facts" in the world history now.

For example, does the official (= political) history say much about such new facts as Arkaim city found in the Southern Urals steppe in Russia in 1987? No. Because it goes in conflict with the usually learnt (= official) history. It's not even much mentioned in Russian textbooks on history. Why? Because:

1) the official history can't explain it properly; 
2) if politicans (Western and Russian politicans) admitted that there was any "ancient capital of early Aryan civilization" on the Russian territory at the period of 17-20th centuries BC (older that Byzantium culture, almost as old as the Great Giza Piramids), that would mean Russian history is much older and greater than it is officially considered now. It's not diplomatic at all...

Politicans in any form are the evil. DevilBig Smile
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Dominik  +  485274 Wed, 05 Mar 08 12:12 PM
 In every country history is interpreted in the way that is more appropriate for politicans.
Yes I agree but it is not about interpretation (which usually is different) but about historical facts and true.

A very good example is Katyń massacre where thousands of Polsh POWs were murdered by NKVD (secret Soviet police) and the true about this (who did this) was hidden and forbiden.  Even in communistic Poland we didn't learn about Katyń or Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939.  History teachers who say about these facts were at best dissmised.
Even today in Russian TV we can hear doubts that Katyń massacre was Stalin's crime.
Dominik
Dew 2007  +  485329 Wed, 05 Mar 08 04:38 PM
 Dominik, during the Soviet time we were not told about Katyn massacre either. We were shown films where Poles and Russians were friends and we believed it. And we still regard Poland and the Poles as a friendly nation. (At least we feel friendly to you and your country)

After the crash of the USSR the fact became known to everybody. And I can tell you that Russian people are really ashamed of what the Stalin regime had done to the Polish people. And we are not in doubt who did it. The fact was OFFICIALLY recognized more than fifteen years ago.

Speaking about it now do you want to draw a parallel between what happened in 1939 and the Russian people today? Do you want to say that all the Russians are bad because  of that? Or do you really think that if a Pole comes to Russia he is in danger because he is a Pole?

We are not bad as you think. I don't think we should associate all the population of the country with the historical events of about a century old. 

 
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Dominik  +  485361 Wed, 05 Mar 08 06:18 PM
3xNO I DON'T! :) How did you arrive at these conclusions? I don't afraid of ordianary Russian and you shouldn't afraid of Poles. I think it's good when we talk about all our fears. It's the only way to dispel them. 
Dominik
Dew 2007  +  485531 Thu, 06 Mar 08 07:41 AM
Domonik, sorry if I misunderstood you, but it sounded like this in a way.  

By the way, my grandfather was killed in Poland in 1944 while fighting against the fascists and for the future of your country as well. 

Dew 2007
Ruslana  +  485672 Thu, 06 Mar 08 02:33 PM

Dew 2007
“And I can tell you that Russian people are really ashamed of what the Stalin regime had done to the Polish people. ”

There were lots of shamefull things during Stalin regime, indeed. And those things didn't concern Polish people only, but also many other nations (including the Russians themselves). Plenty of people were given the label "enemy of people" and deported to Siberia... Stalin's repressions affected hundreds of people.

Ruslana
Dew 2007  +  485691 Thu, 06 Mar 08 03:00 PM
Ruslana
“Stalin's repressions affected hundreds of people. ”

 They affected MILLIONS of peoples and mostly Soviet people.  And the people of the former USSR are the ones who suffered most.

Still, there are forces in Western countries who would like to associate Stalin with the today's Russian government. And it is done just to make other peoples afraid of Russia and the Russians. And it is really sad.

So they try to make propoganda out of the historic facts.

Dew 2007
Dominik  +  485762 Thu, 06 Mar 08 06:46 PM

>My grandfather was killed in Poland in 1944 while fighting against the fascists and for the future of your country as well.

I'm thankful the common soldiers for their sacrifice.

My grandfather also died in the WWII He was a Polish officer and was murdered in Auschwitz-Birkenau (Konzentrationslager Auschwitz) (the German Nazi concentration and extermination camp).

>There were lots of shameful things during Stalin regime, indeed. And those things didn't concern Polish people only, but also many other nations (including the Russians themselves).

Yes, your nation suffered a lot. Millions Russian were murdered during Stalin's regime. An unlimited and uncontrolled power is very dangerous. We should remember and shouldn't forget about the history to prevent similar atrocities in the future.

Dominik
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