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Pyewacket  +  118923 Sun, 17 Jul 05 12:35 AM
 MrPedantic wrote:
 Pyewacket wrote:

 MrPedantic wrote:
Just to clarify: do you happen to know whether they 'adopt' (or perhaps abduct) the chicks?

Obviously...

Mmm...I'm afraid that's what happens when you've spent a few months on this forum. You become reluctant even to dismiss the possibility that a male flamingo might, somehow, in exceptional circumstances, manage to produce an egg...

Not sure what you’re getting at, but there have been cases of person's in exceptional circumstances known to walk on water as well, but no one has actually observed this. You are about as likely to see either one.

If you’ve heard of a spontaneous sex change in any animal other than a fish, echinoderm, crustacean, mollusk or polchaete worm, please share.

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yau  +  118941 Sun, 17 Jul 05 01:33 AM

Just give some information. It's also a controversial topic in Hong Kong, but the focus is different. While westerners tend to talk about this issue in the eye of religion, Chinese concerns its damage to social ethics (here, I mean the traditional family structure), but I think the results are similar: 50% for and 50% against. 

Anyway, I don't see there's any good reason to object gay marriage. We should ethically and socially support it.  

1.The bigger damage to family ethic is the right to divorce, but it seems that no country proposed a law to ban divorce.  Why gay marriage?

2.  It's said that gay men involved many sex partners. Gay marriage provides them with legally binding committment and it may help our society fight for AIDS.  

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Pyewacket  +  118974 Sun, 17 Jul 05 05:46 AM

Thank you for your input, Yau. I agree that much of the disagreement here in the west stems from religious views (aka: “God’s Law”). This is what I was trying to get at with my comments. I was trying to illustrate that Natural Laws are not the same as God’s Law. However, many religious people who are against gay marriage mistakenly put this issue under the wrong category. If they would reframe the argument under the category you mentioned, they might be able to argue their point more effectively.

1. Why ban gay marriage? In the USA, I think it might have something to do with it opening the door to other alternative partnerships (like polygamy which is favored by fundamentalist Mormons, but is currently illegal). It’s illegal because the women involved in the marriage are underage, so it’s not really a marriage issue, it’s a pedophilia issue.

2.  I think the real issue is that homosexuals want the same rights that a heterosexual couple is granted when married -- full economic and care taking rights. The problem is that they are using the term “marriage.” The definition of "marriage" has a traditional meaning that is highly prized by many people. Now, I see nothing wrong with the term “gay marriage,” but others do. So, as a compromise why not simply call it “gay partnerships”. Partnerships that have full economic and care taking rights. We could preserve the term "marriage" for the traditional meaning.

If we take off the word “marriage” does that help?

 

 

 

 

Forbes  +  130613 Thu, 25 Aug 05 02:59 PM

A few random observations from a gay man who was not in favour of gay marriage and adoption, but now is:

1) If the purpose of marriage is procreation should women who are incapable of bearing children (e.g. they have passed child bearing age or have had a hysterectomy) or men incapable of inseminating women (for whatever reason) be banned from marrying?

2) If a child needs parents of both sexes to be around to grow up to be balanced, should widows and widowers with children be forced to remarry?

3) Heterosexuality is the inability to form a meaningful relationship with a person of the same sex. (Don’t know who said that first.)

4) Heterosexuality is not normal, just common.(Don’t know who said that first.)

5) These days no-one wants to get married except gays. (Don’t know who said that first.)

6) The reason I was against gay marriage was that it seemed to be aping straight behaviour.  I felt marriage (and even more adoption) was not in keeping with what I perceived as a gay lifestyle. I now feel differently. People who make a public commitment to each other should have the same tax breaks as straight married couples. Even more important is the question of hospital visiting rights and similar matters. How devastating it must be for two people to be in love and for one to be seriously ill or dying and be deprived of the company of the other by relatives who disapprove of the relationship.

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Sunnyb4u  +  132859 Thu, 01 Sep 05 02:35 PM

Hi Deepa I am agree with  your words.. if  we change the natural laws in future we will the face problem.....every one has responibilty , please dont change the natural laws.

P.Sunil Kumar (Sunny)

 

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FrozenSmile  +  135314 Thu, 08 Sep 05 10:57 PM

Yes,  in a purerly biological point of view it is against the "laws of nature" because same sex couple can't reproduce.

But in the society point of view I think that heterosexual and homosexual human beings deserve to have the same rights. No discrimination.

So I say yes to gay marriages. And I think that people that are against it are narrow minded hypocriets.

You may quote me on that.

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Re: All mammal populations in the wild have a homosexual population.<br><br>

Where is your source?? What is being observed in other mammals is not sexually driven (directly) homosexuality, but a form of dominance among members of a group. It is a many times siimply a show of power, of the right to breed with the females of their choice.
This is quite obvious in our most easily observed mammal, the dog.
MrPedantic  +  139034 Sun, 18 Sep 05 11:35 PM

 Anonymous wrote:
Re: All mammal populations in the wild have a homosexual population.

Where is your source?? What is being observed in other mammals is not sexually driven (directly) homosexuality, but a form of dominance among members of a group. It is a many times siimply a show of power, of the right to breed with the females of their choice. This is quite obvious in our most easily observed mammal, the dog.

Homosexuality in other mammals may be interpreted by observers as "a form of dominance among members of a group"; but that may be because observers tend to interpret the behaviour of social animals in terms of dominance.

Moreover, we might have some difficulty in applying the same interpretation to non-social mammals.

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Radrook  +  142438 Wed, 28 Sep 05 03:35 AM

Obviously some people think it's correct and others don't.
Those who think it is correct are offended when others say it is not correct.
Those who say it is incorrect are offended by those who say it is correct.
Because it generates immediate offense the subject is not amenable to calm rational discussion.
In order to discuss it calmly you need to not identify with either group but simply look at the subject dispassionately and examine it under the pure light of logic. This my friends is humanly impossible because humans are not guided predominantly by logic but by emotion. reasoning is used simply to justify the emotions and the behavior which those emotions generate.
In short, this thread can only degenerate into an endless: "Is so! Is not! Is so! Is not! Is so! Is not! Is so! Is not!" leading nowhere.

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