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MrPedantic  +  168390 Sat, 10 Dec 05 02:08 PM
 Anonymous wrote:

Okay - let's talk about Gallup polls:

The LATEST figures (from April 2005) show that 68% of the people surveyed are AGAINST same-sex marriage.  The 'almost even' numbers from 2004 appear to have been skewed data - since most polls support the public opposing same-sex marriage in the 60% - 80% range (depending on poll methodology and demographics).

Therefore, the original statement in this thread is correct - the majority of Americans oppose it.

I don't think the original statement¹ had anything to do with whether Americans opposed it or not.

MrP

¹ "What do you say about the recent homosexual marriages? is it correct?"

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Chenpv  +  168403 Sat, 10 Dec 05 02:41 PM

I am not against homosexual 'marriage' myself.  (If this word violates someone, please read it as 'Commitment')And I dont think most straight people here are against this concept. We may sometimes show our concerns, curiosities, or occasionally doubts, but as long as it has nothing to do with our lives, whats the big deal anyway?

However, the truth is that homosexual marriage is not protected by 'the Marriage Law' here. (I believe laws are set to protect people rather than decide what is right or wrong.) IMHO, it's not because of some religion or ethic issues proposed by Yau pages ago, but some familial and social reasons which ingrained in Chinese for thousands of years. In other words, before a person chooses a homo's life, he/she should consider and reconsider the question that 'SHOULD HE/SHE ABANDON THE LONG CHERISHED OBLIGATION OF HAVING BABIES AND SUSTAINING HIS FAMILY SURMAME OR HER FAMILY BLOODLINE.' And this question is indeed a heavy blow, especially for those who are the only child of their families. Hence, unfortunately, most homos here choose to suppress their feelings, but form families and accomplish their 'historic duties.' Some of those unnatural couples end up with miserable break-ups years of having a baby. Sad, isnt it? But its the reality.

People who read Chinese newspapers will find that homosexual marriages are put to discussion recently. Luckily, reports were all positive and encouraged more cares to these under-pressure people. At least to me, not a single article I ever read denoted homos are abnormal or sick (need to be cured) and those children they adopted turned into homos. So I am just a bit surprised to read those post againt homo marriage with all kinds of seemingly plausible evidences.  Is it that our new media are covering things up or those evidences are created to against some people's happiness?

I think there are other reasons why homo marriage hasnt been included in our law.  
(1) Most sincere homo couples intend to live a silent life in the current situation in China.
If the two do care about eath other, frankly speaking, what's so important to get a piece of paper declaring the marriage in one of the government department? They can have a wedding legally without any infringement on others. Since most of the homos are not interested, why should the government hurry?
(2) Laws and regulations are criteria set by human-beings which take common realisation as a cornerstone. But do straight man really understand homos? Can this law be made by homos? I doubt it. What if the well-intentioned law unintionallay hurt the vulnerable minorities of our societies? What if this misinterpretation of the law lead to a more topsy-tursy and complicated issue? Times change, people change, maybe we just need to let it grow in a healthy way.

In conclusion, to me, homo marriage now in China are exactly the same as hetero one except one official paper.

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Passionate_freak  +  177422 Sun, 01 Jan 06 08:50 AM

Happy New Year to all.

Well, I agree with conus lotus no matter how well written can't change the WRONG things  right. And , Chameleon, no matter of the datas and poles, human so called rational is the most irrational creature in this earth and does the things which pleases itself, it's insane. To understand wrong and right demands a Neo-cortex the super brain found only in human and I regard  it's abscent in the peolpe who can't decide what is wrong and right indulging self into the disgusting act for pleasure.It's totally insane.

And shifting the 'moral' to the personal kind of thing doesn't allow people run away. It creates even more difficulties. It's the world and it has got it's own rules and the human made rules like in Netherlands can't change the Supernatural way of living. Definitely we human are not created towaste life in such an act.

May this New Year bring all the happines and prosperity and the peace and the knowledge to the people around the world.

regards,

the Everst guy

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Forbes  +  189198 Fri, 27 Jan 06 01:11 AM

A few questions for those against gay mariage:

Should gay men be allowed to marry women and should gay women be allowed to marry men?

If gay sex is wrong because the purpose of sex is procreation then is eating for pleasure wrong when the purpose of eating is to sustain life?

If gay sex is wrong because the purpose of sex is procreation then is it wrong for an infertile man or women to have straight sex.

If the purpose of sex is procreation is it right for an unmarried man and woman to have sex if they want a baby?

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Anonymous, 3 yr 295 days ago

Homosexuals should not be allowed to get married because pretty soon we're gunna have gay people walking around everywhere thinking it's okay to make out in public and that's just sick.  I can't even stand heterosexuals making out in public let alone homosexuals.

Anonymous, 3 yr 295 days ago

I love this topic. Because these folks are all over the planet including rich countries. That is how they could bring this for discussion. If this was prevalent only in poorer section of world it would have not been a topic at all. so, Guys stick up to your voice, you are going to get recognition because your friends are in rich countries too. To me these folks are just like any normal regular humans. They have an anomaly, dont know if this is right word, but its sometimes from birth sometimes during upbringing. So it is none of their fault. To me their anomaly is as simple as being a left handed person instead of right hand. They want to live life like others. They don not want to be mutated or brain washed to be normal humans. They want to be treated with respect. They don’t consider that they are ill neither should others. From times unknown regular humans knew male and female as parents.  Now learned humans must step up and give a helping hand to these folks to live like regular humans. Let them have all benefits allow same sex marriages and adopt babies. This way we can lay a path for future generations. After all we evolved from cave men to social married folks. We should try to preserve this male-female setup as godly or natural. Any thing over a period of time has to change and nothing is perfect. Humans can’t live normal. That’s the nature.

Matress  +  192679 Sat, 04 Feb 06 10:27 PM

 Deepa wrote:
what do you say about the recent homosexual marriages? is it correct?

I can answer with other questions! What wil happen with the family in the future if homosexual 'marriages' become fashion? What will happen with the real love that exists among people from the same family? What will happen with the human being? We can being drive to extinction; cause that kind of  'marriage' doens't bring children to the world.

Maybe it will be the end of the world, the end of the love, the end of humanity!!

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Elena  +  192811 Sun, 05 Feb 06 02:14 PM

 Matress wrote:
 What wil happen with the family in the future if homosexual 'marriages' become fashion? What will happen with the real love that exists among people from the same family? What will happen with the human being? We can being drive to extinction; cause that kind of  'marriage' doens't bring children to the world.

Maybe it will be the end of the world, the end of the love, the end of humanity!! 

fashion?

do you mean you'd wish to have an homosexual marriage one day because it became fashion? How strange.

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Anonymous, 3 yr 290 days ago

We assume that homosexuality is something that is voluntary, or something that we do by choice. We also assume that homosexuality is not natural.

Science proves to us that genetics are not perfect, and that there are sometimes mutations, or recessive genes that cause certain abnormalities. Genetics determines our eye color, our hair color, but it also determines certain diseases. Genetics determines homosexuality without a doubt, because people become homosexual not because they are evil or because they think it is fashionable, but because thier genetics give them a sexual attraction to the same gender. If a act of nature causes homosexuality, then how can we say that it is not natural for it to happen?

It is false to say that homosexuality is against nature's law because nature is the cause of homosexuality. It is therefore not natural law, but social law, the law of man, that says that homosexality is wrong. Because we, through socialization, are forced into thinking that love between men and women is the only possible right thing.

I do not think that homosexual marraiges will become fashion as it has been said. The only thing that will "come in fashion" is the acceptance of the rights that homosexual people have to live in a democratic society.

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